Message from @LOGiK
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depends on the car, not all cars are designed for speed as a priority
look at the gt86
it's slower than a lot of hatchbacks, that doesn't mean it's worse than them though
same with the mx5
they're great cars, but there are much faster and imo less desirable alternatives
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is the 370z a bad car then?
the GT86 is categorically worse than my $5k cheaper Focus ST
I would rather have the GT86
yeah but some of us have more sense than money
250hp/275tq, turbo, 4 doors, same weight, and $5k cheaper
the difference between me and you is that I actually cross-shopped them
i'm not just saying this as an armchair argument
ah and the transmission is way better too
I will admit I haven't driven the current ST, but I have driven the RS
my preference for the GT86 comes down to road feel though, and my own personal affection for rwd
I have a lot of complaints with the gt86, mainly the lack of a factory turbo option and that toyota didn't really have much to do with it despite it wearing a toyota badge and looking imo better than the brz
though that is aesthetic
I like RWD more for sure, but that's not enough to justify the price, lower power, and overall lower value of the GT86
the RS is a good car, but no way in fuck i'm paying 40k for a focus
I paid $21,600 for my ST brand new
by preference for certain vehicles over others usually comes down to how they feel and for the driving experience I like the GT86, I wouldn't buy one though
Feel and driving experience in my ST is lovely
its its just as low as the GT86
the RS is much stiffer and unforgiving, the ST is in the sweet spot
the main reason I wouldn't buy a GT86 is because for the same money I could easily get a supra or R34 GTT
yeah there's that too
its just bad value
I mean, I bought my ST for the same price as a non-GTI golf
well all new cars are comparatively bad value
also anything is better than vw
vw is awful
I utterly resent vw even existing
just saying, what other sports cars can you buy for under $22k?
shame ford is killing everything
ford just want to make SUVs