Message from @Mal

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2017-11-06 18:48:05 UTC  

Westerners have it better

2017-11-06 18:48:15 UTC  

Oh lol

2017-11-06 18:48:21 UTC  

That's what annoys the fuck outa me with cultural appropriation

2017-11-06 18:48:31 UTC  

cultural relativism, brightens any day

2017-11-06 18:48:36 UTC  

dude, i'm black and i can't stand american blacks

2017-11-06 18:49:08 UTC  

I only see the point of historical relativism

2017-11-06 18:49:33 UTC  

Dont judge the past on todays standards

2017-11-06 18:50:16 UTC  

Absolutley, jusdging the past on current morals is the reason the church defamed all the statues in Rome and now has a bag of Dicks in its basement somewhere

2017-11-06 18:50:31 UTC  

Something I have never forgiven them for

2017-11-06 18:50:35 UTC  

And the statue genocide in US

2017-11-06 18:50:58 UTC  

yep

2017-11-06 18:51:10 UTC  

so long as we don't start arguing that it's impossible to judge other currently existing cultures for their terrible ideas, I don't think we have much of a problem

2017-11-06 18:51:37 UTC  

not that I'd expect something like that here, really

2017-11-06 18:51:48 UTC  

yeha, basically my idea is that cultures should be held to the highest ideal of their time

2017-11-06 18:52:34 UTC  

but of course they would have to have relativley close proximity, Rome and China for instance, didn't have much contact, so we couldn't really judge them together.

2017-11-06 18:52:47 UTC  

Because they were basically two different worlds

2017-11-06 18:53:35 UTC  

You can judge current cultures

2017-11-06 18:54:08 UTC  

Otherwise they will never better themself

2017-11-06 18:54:16 UTC  

yes, but we judge them based on the current highest ideal, I wouldn't want our cultures to be judged in 200 years based on the ideals 200 years from now

2017-11-06 18:54:28 UTC  

cause of course it will be considered defficient

2017-11-06 18:56:28 UTC  

from the perspective of an imagined culture that has had longer time to mature and develop, I'm certain we'd still be considered drooling barbarians.

2017-11-06 18:56:58 UTC  

Well, if they were ignorant

2017-11-06 18:57:14 UTC  

Not putting us in our historical context

2017-11-06 18:59:26 UTC  

perhaps, but I wouldn't immediately fault them for thinking so

2017-11-06 19:00:04 UTC  

If we know better, then they should

2017-11-06 19:00:25 UTC  

Yes we are connected

2017-11-06 19:01:35 UTC  

That is why we live a better life

2017-11-06 19:01:35 UTC  

We do know better. If we're struggling with the same issues in 50 years, which I certainly don't hope, there's a case to be made against at least part of us.

2017-11-06 19:01:57 UTC  

That's fair

2017-11-06 19:02:01 UTC  

Nobody is perfect

2017-11-06 19:02:35 UTC  

Yes, but we still have people who believe in judging the past on the present, which is very worrying

2017-11-06 19:02:45 UTC  

considering they have had sucess

2017-11-06 19:03:16 UTC  

whoa whoa

2017-11-06 19:03:19 UTC  

Colonialism was a net bennefit for Africa

2017-11-06 19:03:20 UTC  

>
You can judge current cultures
Otherwise they will never better themself

2017-11-06 19:03:27 UTC  

cultural relativism detected

2017-11-06 19:03:29 UTC  

I think it's fair to be able to point out the terrible ideas of the past, so we can learn from them.

2017-11-06 19:03:41 UTC  

no, like using current morals to judge the past

2017-11-06 19:03:45 UTC  

that's what I'm against

2017-11-06 19:04:08 UTC  

tell me again how the saudis culture of hanging gay men with a crane en masse is in any way comparable to liberal western democracy

2017-11-06 19:04:14 UTC  

because the past will always be defficient