but is that not enforcing your values onto a collective?

I don't think rasing children to be free will make them want freedom necessary.

I just don't think you can only take individual rights into some kind of calculus without appealing to some kind of societal (collective) good

tricky situations like this, with families and children, expose this

classical liberalism tends to abstract people away into atomized individuals with no past, group associations (like one's family) and no duties or obligations to those groups

Well, yes. People don't allways follow those groups

but we are all part of families and it's by no means a trivial case

well, we wouldn't want people tyranized by their group, right?

except

this kid could use a little tyranizing don't you think?

in a direction that is positive for his personal growth

rather than the trajectory he is on

Because kids can't make individual judgments, while adults can (some exceptions).

Leave kids to the wolves then?

Their parents as individuals can make those judgments for them? True, but on what grounds is this a bad judgment made for him? What stops his best direction of "personal growth" being becoming the best boy-tranny ever?

He's performing sexualized acts for the enjoyment of adults.

So, it's societal intervention

That's not normal behavior for kids.

Why don't we let pedos have sex with kids?

Why don't we let people have slaves?

You tell me, aren't we violating individual rights here? what if the child consents? (I'm being facetious)

how does individualism address the rights of children

What about the rights of hospitalized people that are unconscious?

huh?

If I take advantage of a person that's unconscious, is that bad?

Say, raping an unconscious person.

That person will never know.

I could answer that, but I don't see the relevance

My point is, we delegate to society the responsibility to defend people that can't defend themselves.

Applies to unconscious people. Mentally ill people that can't make rational decisions. And children.

Yea, we delegate to the goverment the responsibility to defend people's rights

A doctor can convince a patient to do something not in the patient's best interest. That person isn't deficient in any way, other than lacking medical knowledge that the doctor is using to take advantage of the patient.

in the case of the boy becoming a tranny, it is liberal policy then to come his defense

for an adult it's just his responsibility though

The kid is having his sexuality exploited.

That doesn't happen naturally. That's why we derive the conclusion it's the adults around him doing it.

okay so he is still treated as an individual, it's just that his individual rights are being violated because he cannot consent to sexual exploitation as a child

Also keeping in mind that, barring exceptional cases, the child is too young to be self-aware enough to understand sexuality. Think of this as the kid jumping into a hole without seeing what's at the bottom, by trying to transition at this point he's making major life decisions without knowledge of the decision he's making.

Yes, we assume kids don't have autonomy for many decisions. Kids aren't adults.

right

This server should add some political subroles (Liberalist, Libertrain, Progressive, exc.).