Message from @zoopokemon

Discord ID: 401612398840250379


2018-01-13 05:30:55 UTC  

in a direction that is positive for his personal growth

2018-01-13 05:31:01 UTC  

rather than the trajectory he is on

2018-01-13 05:34:23 UTC  

Because kids can't make individual judgments, while adults can (some exceptions).

2018-01-13 05:34:47 UTC  

Leave kids to the wolves then?

2018-01-13 05:36:59 UTC  

Their parents as individuals can make those judgments for them? True, but on what grounds is this a bad judgment made for him? What stops his best direction of "personal growth" being becoming the best boy-tranny ever?

2018-01-13 05:37:37 UTC  

He's performing sexualized acts for the enjoyment of adults.

2018-01-13 05:37:59 UTC  

So, it's societal intervention

2018-01-13 05:38:01 UTC  

That's not normal behavior for kids.

2018-01-13 05:38:23 UTC  

Why don't we let pedos have sex with kids?

2018-01-13 05:39:13 UTC  

Why don't we let people have slaves?

2018-01-13 05:39:29 UTC  

You tell me, aren't we violating individual rights here? what if the child consents? (I'm being facetious)

2018-01-13 05:39:59 UTC  

how does individualism address the rights of children

2018-01-13 05:41:00 UTC  

What about the rights of hospitalized people that are unconscious?

2018-01-13 05:41:08 UTC  

huh?

2018-01-13 05:41:29 UTC  

If I take advantage of a person that's unconscious, is that bad?

2018-01-13 05:42:12 UTC  

Say, raping an unconscious person.

2018-01-13 05:42:18 UTC  

That person will never know.

2018-01-13 05:42:22 UTC  

I could answer that, but I don't see the relevance

2018-01-13 05:42:53 UTC  

My point is, we delegate to society the responsibility to defend people that can't defend themselves.

2018-01-13 05:43:40 UTC  

Applies to unconscious people. Mentally ill people that can't make rational decisions. And children.

2018-01-13 05:44:17 UTC  

Yea, we delegate to the goverment the responsibility to defend people's rights

2018-01-13 05:44:46 UTC  

A doctor can convince a patient to do something not in the patient's best interest. That person isn't deficient in any way, other than lacking medical knowledge that the doctor is using to take advantage of the patient.

2018-01-13 05:46:24 UTC  

in the case of the boy becoming a tranny, it is liberal policy then to come his defense

2018-01-13 05:46:35 UTC  

for an adult it's just his responsibility though

2018-01-13 05:46:46 UTC  

The kid is having his sexuality exploited.

2018-01-13 05:47:35 UTC  

That doesn't happen naturally. That's why we derive the conclusion it's the adults around him doing it.

2018-01-13 05:49:27 UTC  

okay so he is still treated as an individual, it's just that his individual rights are being violated because he cannot consent to sexual exploitation as a child

2018-01-13 05:49:54 UTC  

Also keeping in mind that, barring exceptional cases, the child is too young to be self-aware enough to understand sexuality. Think of this as the kid jumping into a hole without seeing what's at the bottom, by trying to transition at this point he's making major life decisions without knowledge of the decision he's making.

2018-01-13 05:50:14 UTC  

Yes, we assume kids don't have autonomy for many decisions. Kids aren't adults.

2018-01-13 05:50:27 UTC  

right

2018-01-13 05:51:21 UTC  

This server should add some political subroles (Liberalist, Libertrain, Progressive, exc.).

2018-01-13 05:51:53 UTC  

If it did, I'd do as best to avoid them as much as I can.
Not that I'm centrist, I doubt it, I just don't want a label slapped on my head.

2018-01-13 05:52:36 UTC  

It's going to leave implications that might be wholly inaccurate.

2018-01-13 05:53:10 UTC  

Yea, unless you let people make their own subrole, well at least mitigate.

2018-01-13 05:55:39 UTC  

Alright how about this: we are still deciding as society what the best course of his life should be and enforcing it if we intervene here

2018-01-13 05:56:57 UTC  

here, we are deciding what this individual should want and should be

2018-01-13 05:57:19 UTC  

it just isn't allowed to be anything sexual since he's a child

2018-01-13 05:57:48 UTC  

but the reasoning for this doesn't have anything to do with violation of individual rights does it?

2018-01-13 05:59:06 UTC  

an outside force is deciding what his well-being should be... because he isn't capable of knowing the right decision?

2018-01-13 05:59:22 UTC  

Children should be left to wolves

2018-01-13 05:59:26 UTC  

would that not apply to people outside of just children, unconscious or disabled?