But instead it’s a 8 year old boy crossdressing giving lap dances to old men

You don’t have to align with everything liberal

Yes. I suppose that is the liberal way but we aren’t right on everything

No Apotheosis, because he will be an individal so parents can do just anything

By that logic, the liberal thing to do would be to not interfere with slave owners' affairs.

good point, it's about the child's liberation

but on what grounds is this bad way of raising the child? Is it more liberating for the parents to be raising them as they see fit, is it more liberating to let the child do what he wants, or is it more liberating for the state to intervene when necessary?

doesn't this entirely depend on a separate moral judgement than what is "liberating"

isn't it what is good for the self, family, and society in a particular balance what is ultimately important??

and wanting to push your idea of "good," instead of leaving people as they are in a state such as this is anything but "liberal" but is the moral thing to do?

What is important is what is liberating for the indidual, while yes kids are not yet individual are there for tecnicly the property of the parents, but since kids eventaly become individals people should not interfer with that procces, killing, abuse, exc.

ah, so it is a particular process of raising children that you want to enforce. at least, it is bounded where this in particular is out of bounds

they must be raised in such a way that they become an "individual"

makes sense

under the classical liberal ideology it makes sense to recommend children be raised in such a way that they become capable members of a classical liberal society and will champion your ideals

but is that not enforcing your values onto a collective?

I don't think rasing children to be free will make them want freedom necessary.

I just don't think you can only take individual rights into some kind of calculus without appealing to some kind of societal (collective) good

tricky situations like this, with families and children, expose this

classical liberalism tends to abstract people away into atomized individuals with no past, group associations (like one's family) and no duties or obligations to those groups

Well, yes. People don't allways follow those groups

but we are all part of families and it's by no means a trivial case

well, we wouldn't want people tyranized by their group, right?

except

this kid could use a little tyranizing don't you think?

in a direction that is positive for his personal growth

rather than the trajectory he is on

Because kids can't make individual judgments, while adults can (some exceptions).

Leave kids to the wolves then?

Their parents as individuals can make those judgments for them? True, but on what grounds is this a bad judgment made for him? What stops his best direction of "personal growth" being becoming the best boy-tranny ever?

He's performing sexualized acts for the enjoyment of adults.

So, it's societal intervention

That's not normal behavior for kids.

Why don't we let pedos have sex with kids?

Why don't we let people have slaves?

You tell me, aren't we violating individual rights here? what if the child consents? (I'm being facetious)

how does individualism address the rights of children

What about the rights of hospitalized people that are unconscious?

huh?

If I take advantage of a person that's unconscious, is that bad?

Say, raping an unconscious person.