Message from @Apotheosis
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and wanting to push your idea of "good," instead of leaving people as they are in a state such as this is anything but "liberal" but is the moral thing to do?
What is important is what is liberating for the indidual, while yes kids are not yet individual are there for tecnicly the property of the parents, but since kids eventaly become individals people should not interfer with that procces, killing, abuse, exc.
ah, so it is a particular process of raising children that you want to enforce. at least, it is bounded where this in particular is out of bounds
they must be raised in such a way that they become an "individual"
makes sense
under the classical liberal ideology it makes sense to recommend children be raised in such a way that they become capable members of a classical liberal society and will champion your ideals
but is that not enforcing your values onto a collective?
I don't think rasing children to be free will make them want freedom necessary.
I just don't think you can only take individual rights into some kind of calculus without appealing to some kind of societal (collective) good
tricky situations like this, with families and children, expose this
classical liberalism tends to abstract people away into atomized individuals with no past, group associations (like one's family) and no duties or obligations to those groups
Well, yes. People don't allways follow those groups
but we are all part of families and it's by no means a trivial case
well, we wouldn't want people tyranized by their group, right?
except
this kid could use a little tyranizing don't you think?
in a direction that is positive for his personal growth
rather than the trajectory he is on
Because kids can't make individual judgments, while adults can (some exceptions).
Leave kids to the wolves then?
Their parents as individuals can make those judgments for them? True, but on what grounds is this a bad judgment made for him? What stops his best direction of "personal growth" being becoming the best boy-tranny ever?
He's performing sexualized acts for the enjoyment of adults.
So, it's societal intervention
That's not normal behavior for kids.
Why don't we let pedos have sex with kids?
Why don't we let people have slaves?
You tell me, aren't we violating individual rights here? what if the child consents? (I'm being facetious)
how does individualism address the rights of children
What about the rights of hospitalized people that are unconscious?
huh?
If I take advantage of a person that's unconscious, is that bad?
Say, raping an unconscious person.
That person will never know.
I could answer that, but I don't see the relevance
My point is, we delegate to society the responsibility to defend people that can't defend themselves.
Applies to unconscious people. Mentally ill people that can't make rational decisions. And children.
Yea, we delegate to the goverment the responsibility to defend people's rights
A doctor can convince a patient to do something not in the patient's best interest. That person isn't deficient in any way, other than lacking medical knowledge that the doctor is using to take advantage of the patient.
in the case of the boy becoming a tranny, it is liberal policy then to come his defense
for an adult it's just his responsibility though
The kid is having his sexuality exploited.