Message from @DanielKO

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2018-04-09 18:49:31 UTC  

yeah

2018-04-09 18:49:37 UTC  

Did the population, under Nazi control, have guns to protect themselves?

2018-04-09 18:49:37 UTC  

I don't think you understand what you arw talking about

2018-04-09 18:49:38 UTC  

this went off the rails quickly

2018-04-09 18:49:48 UTC  

You really giving me shit for being Brazilian

2018-04-09 18:49:53 UTC  

Because you can't make an argument

2018-04-09 18:50:03 UTC  

I'm not. I guess you're too sensitive about it.

2018-04-09 18:50:13 UTC  

You are comparing police action with an authoritarian government

2018-04-09 18:50:19 UTC  

And Implying it's the same thing

2018-04-09 18:50:26 UTC  

I was going to use an European country for that, but they're all pussies now.

2018-04-09 18:50:50 UTC  

Guns don't give you magical powers

2018-04-09 18:50:58 UTC  

Guns won't make you brave

2018-04-09 18:51:06 UTC  

Guns won't make you a warrior

2018-04-09 18:51:10 UTC  

They don't. But they make your oppressor scared of uniting everyone against them.

2018-04-09 18:51:24 UTC  

@DanielKO
It don't mean much when they can kill everyone

2018-04-09 18:51:50 UTC  

The idea that "if they had guns this wouldn't have happened" is just nonsense

2018-04-09 18:51:54 UTC  

If you know you're going to die if they come and take you away, wouldn't rather die trying to kill as many as you could?

2018-04-09 18:52:11 UTC  

@DanielKO
Yeah, how many they killed again?

2018-04-09 18:52:23 UTC  

I think guns would have significantly altered the logistics and efficacy of arresting all the Jews.

2018-04-09 18:52:24 UTC  

How many knew they were going to die and did nothing?

2018-04-09 18:52:51 UTC  

Yes, Hitler could then put more effort into locking down cities for the purges, but how much more expensive would it be?

2018-04-09 18:52:51 UTC  

How many willing entered the trains?

2018-04-09 18:53:08 UTC  

Hoe many watched while the SS executed them in front of them?

2018-04-09 18:53:09 UTC  

The majority of the populace don't stand up and fight in either case; but when word gets around of mass killings and reprisals, that tends to have the opposite effect of making people docile; formerly cooperative citizens will do the bare minimum required of them, and only when under the supervision of the occupying forces. It's one of the many reasons German equipment got progressively worse as they were using citizens from occupied countries to build their own weapons of war, leading to numerous sabotaged weaponry rolling out of the factory and towards the front lines. Other citizens who don't 'stand up and fight' whom had family amongst the dead have a renewed reason to assist in any way they can, even if it's just relaying information to resistance fighters

2018-04-09 18:53:53 UTC  

Yeah, but how many actually did that?

2018-04-09 18:54:14 UTC  

It's a pretty small number, right?

2018-04-09 18:54:29 UTC  

The 1938 act ("Regulations Against Jews' Possession of Weapons") came into effect *after* Kristallnacht

2018-04-09 18:56:00 UTC  

Look, who wanted to fight did, and died fighting

2018-04-09 18:56:06 UTC  

There is a lot of examples of that

2018-04-09 18:56:23 UTC  

what tism is going on here

2018-04-09 18:56:23 UTC  

Some of then had guns? Yeah, some don't

2018-04-09 18:56:31 UTC  

And they fought the same way

2018-04-09 18:56:33 UTC  

This wasn't a case of Hitler waking up one day and going 'time to get rid of the gunzzzzzzzzzz'

2018-04-09 18:56:58 UTC  

It was incremental over several years, dismantling the ability of his opponents to mount any effective opposition to him in *any* fashion

2018-04-09 18:57:16 UTC  

I get it

2018-04-09 18:57:25 UTC  

Still, people who wanted to fight

2018-04-09 18:57:27 UTC  

Did it

2018-04-09 18:57:46 UTC  

And people have a habit of denying the horror of what is happening, and delaying the inevitable

2018-04-09 18:57:54 UTC  

Some dude with a gun shows up at your door and tells you to get on a train

2018-04-09 18:58:01 UTC  

And you have no way to do anything about it

2018-04-09 18:58:03 UTC  

You get on the train