What's funny is I foresaw this entire thread haha.. still going to give the kid my 2 cents. Was just WAITING for the replies. I would like to hear more from sea pea at our next book club event bc I know he was a vegetarian for a long time and the grain info interests me. As for the rest of you goyim I will see you at the bbq & We can all respectfully disagree

I know that rundown feeling that Artair speaks of well. After 25yrs of vegetarianism I found the best way to deal with it was juicing, when I switched to Paleo last year, I also encountered it again but found a quick fix was eating some meat. Usually roasted chicken but it's upswing wasn't as good as the juicing but it's a good quick fix.

I don't trust any of the nutrition research at this point. Too many vested interests, and we have completely lost the spirit of honest inquiry.

I can't over stress the importance of green leafy vegetables, daily! No matter what your diet is. Those leafy greens can make up for a lot mistakes.

I think the big key here for him is getting a good handle on WHY he's a vegetarian. From there he will be able to plot his course forward.

True, that "because the family is" probably is not a sustainable route.

*and so they battle for the young man's soul*

Many people fail at vegetarianism because they don't do their homework and make poor choices. But our food supply is hazardous and it's tough making good choices that won't have consequences down the road.

I just try to eat like my ancestors. Animal products, produce, cereals, and the occasional meat.

If it was good enough for Adolf Hitler and Savitri Devi, then it's good enough for me...

Nature is my nutritional guide. I have K-9 teeth. I love eating meat. It tastes great and makes me operate at optimal levels. No need to over complicate things. The key for me is *clean* foods. Non-gmo, organic, best quality available.

Dead body is dead body. I'll eat a human that deserves to have their throat chewed out before I'll dine on an innocent solar being. When you're an ethical vegetarian the choice is as clear as weather to take your next breath or not. Like I said first he needs to affix WHY, then the how becomes easy.

Can we all agree he needs to eat an egg?

If I don't ascend to the bhudda kingdom that is fine, I'm good with Valhalla, if I have to reincarnate I will just be able to gas more bikes.

@Artair eat some eggs

@DatGoy You had to ask that shit didn't you just when it was about to taper off... for me? No I don't eat eggs either. No dairy, no meat, no eggs, no honey, nothing. Read " impeachment of man " If you would like a more in depth analysis to my logic.

@My Name Is Hate how long have you been on this diet?

Became a vegetarian in 95-98. Went back on meat.
Went full "vegan"(Devian) in 09

Sorry I got my years mixed up.

Unfortunately most of the foods we have today aren't the same as our ancestors, in quality or genetically. Actually our food supply has been radically altered in just the past 40-50 years. Our grandparents and great grandparents had better quality foods then we do typically. They may have had less variety but the quality was better overall.

@My Name Is Hate logic wise, are you trying to remove yourself from the natural world? I see everything in nature eating each other and I see it as God's will. Do you not consider plants to be living organisms/or different than other living things? I see plants as conscious beings and value them as much as animals, so I see no difference in distinguishing only eating one or the other. A pine tree = a deer to me. Both are a part of the Creator's spirit as am I. (don't read this sarcastically, I honestly want to know your logic.)

We agree that there's a hierarchy inherently at work in the world, yes? (I'm not taking you as sarcastic so don't worry about that) that hierarchy in nature could also be defined as God's plan. Plants are absolutely a part of the Natrual world & should be respected as such, however plants lack any sort of "free will" They are an organic clock, they respond to the heat/light, they cycle & They die off, feeding all life in the process. That's their function. I guess you and I would disagree on plants having a conscious awareness of the life within them. If given the choice between eating a human baby or a lamb you choose the lamb yes? Why? Hierarchy, or value placed on that life; the same reason I choose a carrot. If forced to choose I say the baby deserves to die first, man has the extra ability to conceive these Concepts & yet still chooses to treat life like a buffet table. Just like the punishment for the murderer with a motive is always worse than the crime of passion. We have the ability to use logic but fail to do so, man stands guilty in my book.

"But we believe that as long as he uses his wits just for the same purpose as the rest of the living — that is to say, merely for his own personal survival or for that of his species; for his own welfare and for that of other men (be his conception of "welfare" far more comprehensive than that of any beast) — he is in no way different from them by nature." SD

"If man really wishes to be a "superior species," he has to give up the habit of acting as the "inferior" ones do."

"And there is indeed no reason why such a man should not also eat human flesh; children's flesh at least, for he could then find, in the jungle, useful precedents of beasts that occasionally eat the young of their own kind, and his use of force would remain "natural."" SD

To what extent can man remove himself from the natural order?

I can see what you are saying. I guess my main difference is that I see it as following the Creator's will to dominate all lesser beings including lesser humans. Along the same lines I believe Aryans are fully within nature if we we're to wipe all lesser humans off of Earth, actually I believe the Creator wants that from us or we Aryans will be destroyed for being weak.

"Living individuals are sacrificed to the interest, or the mere pleasure, of a species that is not even theirs, on the sole grounds that this alien species is superior to theirs in wits and skill; that it has more "possibilities." The same logic would justify the men who have actually more possibilities than others to eat those others if they please, and to use their skins for binding books or for making fine gloves for themselves." SD

Nah, I don't want to eat people, that shit is for niggers.

@Australopithecus Jordan I don't disagree with you about our dominance but I'm not about to start BBQing Jews at Jimmys house for dinner.

nah, we eat jews for lunch when the Marr family BBQ is running.

I don't see a difference in the logic. If we are superior let us act like it.

We agree on everything else though. I'm an unabashed white supremist

@seapea I'll bring a sack lunch

that's probably a good idea.

Brb

Again, I value life as life, so there is no benefit to me prescribing to your particular narrative. I would kill a mosquito just as quickly as a blood sucking human home invader. All is imbued with the Creator's spirit. I respect your way though, and honestly it's impressive that you can stick to that type of a diet for as long as you have, shows solid will power and that is what we need more of.

I think I would find it more difficult to kill a simple creature than a conscious being of wickedness.

If you let mosquitos bite you, you are signaling to Nature your willingness to be a victim. Mosquitos get the rope too.

Yeah @DatGoy gets where I'm coming from. It's a fairly misanthropic view of things. I admit that. I suppose the more you've travelled in the sewer the quicker you are to view life as shit.

Animals didn't build this cesspool of a world, humans did. Humans go first.