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Aus maybe would get a pass or asia

@Veritas Prognostician so a tankie

Ah, well, sorry we didn't change your mind. If you prefer a one-on-one discussion instead of being overwhelmed by numbers, I wouldn't mind if you DMed me (though I'm rarely online).

Just to add, I’m not running away from anything I just don’t understand how anyone can bring up Venezuela as an argument against socialism. When I say I want socialism imposed on the US do you think I’m referring to STALIN, VENEZUELA? No. Wtf

Eh there are people who do the same with a utopian version of facism too

that's because it's socialism, dummy

Just try it 1 more time right @Deleted User

Because they always have to force it, you fucking idiot.

Venezuela was voted for by their people initially.

Just once more

didn't change the outcome now did it

Venuzuala and stalin are the end result

Regardless of where it is implimented

Because Venezuela should be the richest nation in South America, it brought in socialist government who ran it into the fucking ground

That’s why

And now it's projected that 20% of venezeula's population will leave the country en masse @meratrix

Because "socialism through capitalism" is complete horseshit. It has never happened, and it never will happened, and Marx is a retard.

Venezuela isn’t socialist. Another thing to add, just because you gays favor capitalism does that mean you’re also in favor of OPPRESSIVE capitalist countries?

Yes they are

They are centrally planned though

yeah, it hasn't even gone all the way yet, and it's already fucked

I am in favor of opressive capitalist countries over socialist ones, yes.

says something doesn't it

No, answer my second question

Find my a liberal capitalist country that is oppressive to the standard of Venezuela

They are the clere definition of a centrally planned economy with the gov owning the means.

We're not syaing you're in favor of it, we're saying it ends that way regardless. @Deleted User

I think that Ghana and Chile are demonstrably more successful than any Socialist shitholes.

I'll add that a government with the power to control everything the populace owns is going to cause problems, no matter how it's implemented.

A country that Corbyn said is a success for socialism

>OPPRESSIVE capitalist countries
Name one then

Doesn't mean I support them, it means that I think that they're far less fucking horrible.

Actual oppression

Not fake leftist oppression

Government involvement doesn’t mean government controlling everything,

Nice mental gymnastics

When Oil was $100 a barrel Venezuela was a model of Socialism, referred to by every Commie you met

Except. once again, that's how it always ends.

But you want governemnt to control everything

Norway, Finland, and Sweden all have heavy government regulations