Welfare is socialism, change my mind

well i agree, but i am sort of a fag when it comes to putting in work

Welfare is statism

also being a sperg helps

@Deleted User I dunno what you mean by 'left' in that case

once you get to communism, the left/right gets screwy

then it just becomes totalitarian to whatever specific thing the party wants

Socialism is a wide spot in the narrow road towards attempting to implement communism

totalitarianism is bad, is generally the argument against communism

Welfare can cause a group to come completely depended on the state as they are to lazy to get involved and do things themselves. As a result they cost the state and is therefore ripping off the great populous

@What Would Jack Conte Do? also, the whole "entitled to the fruits of my labor" thing.

@Deleted User Do you think taking care of the poor should be done by an overarching system or for the populace/individuals/private charities to do on their own accord?

well, we're arguing against socialism not communism

Communists do think that everyone is the same

i assume zaddy doesn't want communism... she said she wants socialism

No communists only do if they are all the same @Deleted User

communists want communes, and operate on LTV, that sorta thing

its more complicated than just 'people should be equal'

but the moral argument 'people should be equal' has been given

Socialism is just communism for pussies

Classlessness and all that.

or 'people should have a level playing field' and they don't see the current opportunity model as level

basically though, their morals are 'equality is good'

I just find the idea of people telling others what to do to be morally reprehensible

those that give the moral argument that is... not all will do that

First rule never do something because someone says it’s the right thing, only do it if you have reviewed and a decided it is the right thing to do

yes, classlessness id say is pretty accurate

the difference between communism and socialism (main difference) is that in socialism, there's still regulators

or something

I do have some food for thought I think you fellows may appreciate; first question, do you think Communism is silly for counting on people to be so moral as to be ok with being forced to work for no reward in order to provide for others? Follow-up question after this.

It's all fucking sophistry @What Would Jack Conte Do?

but it makes sense on paper and its REAL TO ME DAMMIT

cmon fitzy, look into your heart

lol jk

facts not feelings <:kermit_spree:378719408438116352>

facts should be like the machine guns watching over no man's land, and feelings are the infantry being gunned down and caught in barbed wire facts

drowning in muddy facts

^ this

Ok ok, but my question. I have a follow-up you may find interesting.

Wow, you really are a Nigger Jew then.