Ttfn.

You cannot even judge it in your world view

@Roarey He is best friends with commies who cannot argue so what did you expect?

Didn't miss much it looks like.

The old Hitchens 2 step

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=xahmyVtzuNE

The things I listed were not things you observe in reality. They are reflections of reality. Much like how behavior is a reflection of concepts put into action that then create real effects.

I didn't miss much

Apparently

When people have an argument, both sides are supposed to make their case. I've made mine, you haven't made yours. And you won't because you know it is so laughably dumb I could tear it apart easier than I break wind.

You have made no case

you are just staking on a non positive claim

aka

The point of that is that just with the other things you can use concepts to construct what objective morality would be just based on the premises of the words themselves that are then acted out in the world that then can be measured for their effects with various metrics.

the Hitchens 2 step

"Objective morality does not exist, because people do bad shit all the time"

^^^

this is not a positive claim

Im hoping the ""s was to point out that it was someone's statement and how it is on its face just silly.

Much like "Capitalism isn't perfect so lets toss it out the window and try something that has never actually functioned as what it says on the tin."

I will ask a simple question

Does reason exist irrespective of human consciousness?

Tbh i find morality to be both objective and subjective at the same time. It is objective in the logical sense of "cold blooded murder isnt something you should do." But objective in the sense that depending on culture and other factors what the definition of "cold blud" can change.

Straw man. I said it isn't objective because moral frameworks differ everywhere, every place, in every time period. And even in groups of people who share a general moral code there are completely different takes on every situation imaginable. Morality cannot possibly be an objective standard if it varies this much. End of story.

this is again retarded

boomer

Demonstrate how, idiot.

Dont look at how different things are

Don't just assert it's retarded

@Goblin_Slayer_Floki - Like the variations of truth that exist?

It is amazing how similar cultures are throughout time

@Roarey zealots who believe themselves to be above others are mentally incapable of understanding

@Roarey Why are we morally superior or "further civilized/progressed whatever" than our ancestors?

In a sense

the moral codes that grew with in vaccumes

You have objective and subjective truths

@Fitzydog - Because it's my culture and I say so.

The hierarchies that developed

@Fitzydog try supplying something for your own side first, then I'll answer you. If you don't make an effort then I won't.

Gravity is real is an objective truth, while the bible is true would be a subjective.

```Straw man. I said it isn't objective because moral frameworks differ everywhere, every place, in every time period. And even in groups of people who share a general moral code there are completely different takes on every situation imaginable. Morality cannot possibly be an objective standard if it varies this much. End of story.``` I can say you are made out of catfood which would be my subjective opinion but that most certainly isn't the objective truth... or is it...