Like I said, we can't escape our basic nature, but we don't just live by our basic nature do we or there'd be no difference between us now and people in the fucking stone age would there

or the ability to think about thinking

thats the thing they dont reality does not care if somthing "evil" is happening, there is no karma and evil does not have a weight or measure. if i subjectivily think your act is evil that does nothing has no weight and will not save me from the fire, the concept is mute.

@Roarey There isn't really, is there though?

@Roarey - Might as well get rid of that pesky free will concept and tell the courts it wasn't your fault you played GTA in the streets.

Our societies are just like the stone age? really?

What's changed inside us humans?

@DanConway thats one helva claim not backed in anything,

I never made the claim anything has changed INSIDE people

Gorillas that can use sign language

dolphins possibly have a lexicon larger then most 3rd world country's

Morality isn't just what human nature is, is it

they cannot ask meta questions

@flyingfoxel I'm still waiting for that objective morality claim

@DanConway - What's a meta question?

@Deleted User why mention me i dont think morals exsist let alone are objective

@Roarey I am saying that objective morality is something inside of us

That isn't morality, it is nature.

@flyingfoxel I'm talking about dan still hasn't proven shit

Morality is what we build around natural impulses and imperatives

@flyingfoxel - So you don't care to refer to the type of behavior a person has at all? Sounds like saying that the person doesn't have a gender, weight, height, or skin color when reporting someone to the police for a crime you just witnessed.

Which is why morality progresses and changes and evolves even though our nature doesnt

@ConceptHut all those traits exsist you moron

Or hasn't during the same span of time, I should say

@flyingfoxel - Behavior exists

Belief in, or lack of belief in a truth claim does not make the claim true or false.

@Roarey - Moral understanding changes, morality itself does not change.

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Yes it does change.

Name something that hasn't changed that is a moral value

@ConceptHut yes but the subjective context you are adding of the view thats it's evil is wrong and moronic

People don't like being held captive. @Roarey

@flyingfoxel - If a thing exists, you can measure it and apply labels to different measurement results.

Understanding of the universe has changed, the universe itself does not change its fundimental rules

Tell that to people with a slave fetish. But yeah, seriously, human captivity being bad is a moral value that hasn't changed?

Example of a thing existing regardless of the understanding of it changing: Globe centric vs sun centric rotation.

Sure, no one says "My sister was taken prisoner. But that's okay."

@Fitzydog - You don't know my sister. o_o

Except the cultures that think slavery is a perfectly acceptable thing.

@Fitzydog except for ancaps <:pepe_smug:378719408341909506>

No one behaves as though morals are subjective