Message from @ConceptHut

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2018-11-01 03:27:11 UTC  

That isn't morality, it is nature.

2018-11-01 03:27:18 UTC  

@flyingfoxel I'm talking about dan still hasn't proven shit

2018-11-01 03:27:33 UTC  

Morality is what we build around natural impulses and imperatives

2018-11-01 03:27:53 UTC  

@flyingfoxel - So you don't care to refer to the type of behavior a person has at all? Sounds like saying that the person doesn't have a gender, weight, height, or skin color when reporting someone to the police for a crime you just witnessed.

2018-11-01 03:27:58 UTC  

Which is why morality progresses and changes and evolves even though our nature doesnt

2018-11-01 03:28:14 UTC  

@ConceptHut all those traits exsist you moron

2018-11-01 03:28:24 UTC  

Or hasn't during the same span of time, I should say

2018-11-01 03:28:24 UTC  

@flyingfoxel - Behavior exists

2018-11-01 03:28:52 UTC  

Belief in, or lack of belief in a truth claim does not make the claim true or false.

2018-11-01 03:28:57 UTC  

@Roarey - Moral understanding changes, morality itself does not change.

2018-11-01 03:29:02 UTC  

^

2018-11-01 03:29:17 UTC  

Yes it does change.

2018-11-01 03:29:30 UTC  

Name something that hasn't changed that is a moral value

2018-11-01 03:29:32 UTC  

@ConceptHut yes but the subjective context you are adding of the view thats it's evil is wrong and moronic

2018-11-01 03:29:43 UTC  

People don't like being held captive. @Roarey

2018-11-01 03:30:06 UTC  

@flyingfoxel - If a thing exists, you can measure it and apply labels to different measurement results.

2018-11-01 03:30:11 UTC  

Understanding of the universe has changed, the universe itself does not change its fundimental rules

2018-11-01 03:30:44 UTC  

Tell that to people with a slave fetish. But yeah, seriously, human captivity being bad is a moral value that hasn't changed?

2018-11-01 03:30:53 UTC  

Example of a thing existing regardless of the understanding of it changing: Globe centric vs sun centric rotation.

2018-11-01 03:31:16 UTC  

Sure, no one says "My sister was taken prisoner. But that's okay."

2018-11-01 03:31:37 UTC  

@Fitzydog - You don't know my sister. o_o

2018-11-01 03:31:43 UTC  

Except the cultures that think slavery is a perfectly acceptable thing.

2018-11-01 03:31:47 UTC  

@Fitzydog except for ancaps <:pepe_smug:378719408341909506>

2018-11-01 03:31:50 UTC  

No one behaves as though morals are subjective

2018-11-01 03:32:13 UTC  

@DanConway - People that don't want held accountable seem to at least for themselves.

2018-11-01 03:32:13 UTC  

@Roarey Sure, but those slaves families want their people back

2018-11-01 03:32:15 UTC  

afk

2018-11-01 03:32:24 UTC  

Do they?

2018-11-01 03:32:30 UTC  

@Fitzydog and the people who enslaved them don't care.

2018-11-01 03:32:33 UTC  

they do paul the second you no longer live in a cohesive society

2018-11-01 03:32:43 UTC  

@Roarey And? No one is disputing that

2018-11-01 03:32:43 UTC  

lol

2018-11-01 03:32:57 UTC  

I have seen ancapistans IRL

2018-11-01 03:32:59 UTC  

@Fitzydog therefore it isn't an objective standard is it.

2018-11-01 03:33:14 UTC  

That is not a premise of the claim

2018-11-01 03:33:22 UTC  

which is why i keep calling it retarded

2018-11-01 03:33:26 UTC  

@Roarey Like I started off with: I don't think you understand what we mean by objective morality

2018-11-01 03:33:35 UTC  

Group x doesn't think they should be slaves, group y thinks group x should be slaves. Both feel they are morally justified.

2018-11-01 03:34:02 UTC  

``` and the people who enslaved them don't care.``` This is where selective morality comes into play. The slavers wouldn't like to be enslaved and would likely claim it to be immoral.

2018-11-01 03:34:10 UTC  

^

2018-11-01 03:34:15 UTC  

i am going to smash the shit out of this fucking phone