That isn't morality, it is nature.

@flyingfoxel I'm talking about dan still hasn't proven shit

Morality is what we build around natural impulses and imperatives

@flyingfoxel - So you don't care to refer to the type of behavior a person has at all? Sounds like saying that the person doesn't have a gender, weight, height, or skin color when reporting someone to the police for a crime you just witnessed.

Which is why morality progresses and changes and evolves even though our nature doesnt

@ConceptHut all those traits exsist you moron

Or hasn't during the same span of time, I should say

@flyingfoxel - Behavior exists

Belief in, or lack of belief in a truth claim does not make the claim true or false.

@Roarey - Moral understanding changes, morality itself does not change.

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Yes it does change.

Name something that hasn't changed that is a moral value

@ConceptHut yes but the subjective context you are adding of the view thats it's evil is wrong and moronic

People don't like being held captive. @Roarey

@flyingfoxel - If a thing exists, you can measure it and apply labels to different measurement results.

Understanding of the universe has changed, the universe itself does not change its fundimental rules

Tell that to people with a slave fetish. But yeah, seriously, human captivity being bad is a moral value that hasn't changed?

Example of a thing existing regardless of the understanding of it changing: Globe centric vs sun centric rotation.

Sure, no one says "My sister was taken prisoner. But that's okay."

@Fitzydog - You don't know my sister. o_o

Except the cultures that think slavery is a perfectly acceptable thing.

@Fitzydog except for ancaps <:pepe_smug:378719408341909506>

No one behaves as though morals are subjective

@DanConway - People that don't want held accountable seem to at least for themselves.

@Roarey Sure, but those slaves families want their people back

afk

Do they?

@Fitzydog and the people who enslaved them don't care.

they do paul the second you no longer live in a cohesive society

@Roarey And? No one is disputing that

lol

I have seen ancapistans IRL

@Fitzydog therefore it isn't an objective standard is it.

That is not a premise of the claim

which is why i keep calling it retarded

@Roarey Like I started off with: I don't think you understand what we mean by objective morality

Group x doesn't think they should be slaves, group y thinks group x should be slaves. Both feel they are morally justified.

``` and the people who enslaved them don't care.``` This is where selective morality comes into play. The slavers wouldn't like to be enslaved and would likely claim it to be immoral.

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i am going to smash the shit out of this fucking phone