Subjective

@Goblin_Slayer_Floki the glue snorting crayon eater can't do that now

so it cannot do evil

@DanConway - That leads into eating other species kind of convo which is way more complicated than standard in group species morality.

@Goblin_Slayer_Floki yes, there are certain common threads that run through as a result of our biology and evolution. Things we have to believe in if we want to be able to have a society in the first place. But these are things still subject to the will of individual people. The complexity of codes of ethics that produce civilisations requires a lot more than the bare basics, such as not just killing everything. That is where we have to reason, debate and discuss morality. The only thing you could call objective is that which all social organisms on the planet abide by in order to survive. Laws of nature, if you will. And we don't live by those do we.

You stated the animal kingdom follows the same rules. Ie morality the topic

@DanConway - How do you define "moral agency".

me killing a child i have never met or know the parents even within my own species is not evil, it's just objectional to the rest of the species

they do

Actually i would argue much of what drives humans even to this day is the base instinct and law of nature

To say we don't live by rules of nature is very low IQ

because they do not have the higher thinking to think about thinking

@flyingfoxel - How do you define "evil" in general?

we do not charge a mentally impaired person with murder if he does not understand right and wrong

i don't it doesn't exist.

Evil and good are subjective at their core

@Goblin_Slayer_Floki it is yes, and is inescapable in totality. But we do not live as meerkats do, for example. We have a hell of a lot of depth to us and our societies. All of that depth is constructed by people.

@flyingfoxel - Yet those words exist and things do fit within the framework of the traits defined by the concept of evil.

yeah humans play make believe all the damn time imagine that

And people are rather animalistic. The individuals survival, procreation, and prosperation is above the whole.

Its just the ways to get that have changed

@flyingfoxel - Removing words from what you want to pay attention to does nothing but make you ignore those concepts. They still exist.

To assume we are "above" our animality, is dishonest at best

@Fitzydog I should have put "JUST by those", but I didn't account for the sentence being read by someone determined to take it out of context and ignore everything else.

Even society and human morality are based on those 3 major concepts

@flyingfoxel - For instance would it just be bad or would it be nothing at all if I lit you on fire because I like the smell of burning flesh and you are an easy source? Most people use the word evil as a super bad category of bad.

human have meta consciousness. something that animals can only show rudimentary thinking at best

the understanding that someone can know something that you do not

Like I said, we can't escape our basic nature, but we don't just live by our basic nature do we or there'd be no difference between us now and people in the fucking stone age would there

or the ability to think about thinking

thats the thing they dont reality does not care if somthing "evil" is happening, there is no karma and evil does not have a weight or measure. if i subjectivily think your act is evil that does nothing has no weight and will not save me from the fire, the concept is mute.

@Roarey There isn't really, is there though?

@Roarey - Might as well get rid of that pesky free will concept and tell the courts it wasn't your fault you played GTA in the streets.

Our societies are just like the stone age? really?

What's changed inside us humans?

@DanConway thats one helva claim not backed in anything,

I never made the claim anything has changed INSIDE people

Gorillas that can use sign language

dolphins possibly have a lexicon larger then most 3rd world country's

Morality isn't just what human nature is, is it

they cannot ask meta questions