People don't like being held captive. @Roarey

@flyingfoxel - If a thing exists, you can measure it and apply labels to different measurement results.

Understanding of the universe has changed, the universe itself does not change its fundimental rules

Tell that to people with a slave fetish. But yeah, seriously, human captivity being bad is a moral value that hasn't changed?

Example of a thing existing regardless of the understanding of it changing: Globe centric vs sun centric rotation.

Sure, no one says "My sister was taken prisoner. But that's okay."

@Fitzydog - You don't know my sister. o_o

Except the cultures that think slavery is a perfectly acceptable thing.

@Fitzydog except for ancaps <:pepe_smug:378719408341909506>

No one behaves as though morals are subjective

@DanConway - People that don't want held accountable seem to at least for themselves.

@Roarey Sure, but those slaves families want their people back

afk

Do they?

@Fitzydog and the people who enslaved them don't care.

they do paul the second you no longer live in a cohesive society

@Roarey And? No one is disputing that

lol

I have seen ancapistans IRL

@Fitzydog therefore it isn't an objective standard is it.

That is not a premise of the claim

which is why i keep calling it retarded

@Roarey Like I started off with: I don't think you understand what we mean by objective morality

Group x doesn't think they should be slaves, group y thinks group x should be slaves. Both feel they are morally justified.

``` and the people who enslaved them don't care.``` This is where selective morality comes into play. The slavers wouldn't like to be enslaved and would likely claim it to be immoral.

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i am going to smash the shit out of this fucking phone

Why do you think I keep asking you to tell me what the fuck objective morality is according to your beliefs?

Define it.

@flyingfoxel why

@flyingfoxel - Let the hate flow through you. You know you want to see the phone explode into a million little fibers.

Instead of moving bloody goalposts constantly and asking new shit.

@Roarey - Who you referring to?

Anyone arguing for objective morality, I don't care who does it

Oh, nevermind. Saying moving the goalposts is definitely something neither me nor dan are doing so... not going to get a lot of effort out of us.

@Roarey Because we're trying to explain the actual surrounding environment, variable, and definitions of what we're talking about first, because none of us are on the same page lol

Are you making a positive claim or not

> objective morality
> but when "god" does it its ok /s

lol

@🌻 togepi 🌻 - Divine command morality is annoying.

By the definition of what god is that is true