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My version
> Something can't come from nothing
> Things are here
> It seems like something came from nothing at some point
> I think its hydrogen
ok good
so is that because you find an infinite regress to be objectively illogical
Not necessarily, because reality is infinite as far as we know, which makes it plausible that reality has always been a thing
it is either the case that reality is infinite or it is not
and that is objectively true
In either case, subatomic particles coming from nothing is more likely than god coming from nothing
Im not making a case for god
but yes i suppose those are the options
then what is the basis for your objective morality?
I am making the claim that we either live in a amoral universe or a moral one
and an objectively moral one is more likely
alright present your proof
My main argument is that an amoral universe is self refuting
please give me a moment to explain why
so a universe that is amoral by definition does not exist?
hey, uhh, fun fact, but 8 dimensional holographic universe theory actually has an argument for human consciousness being an emergent and necessary part of reality
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No i am claiming that to say that "There are no Moral claims, is of itself a moral claim"
it is illogical in the same way we would both find an infinite regress illogical
There are no Moral claims is an absolute
i wish i understood half of these words because it seems interesting
> ontological
tautological
no
thats what paul is doing tho
it translates to: wordplay
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By saying there are no moral claims. You are making one moral claim
what
thus it refutes itself
Youre saying that "There are no moral claims" is a moral claim because it contains the word "moral"
But lets just define moral claim because i guess thats what were about these days
moral claim: a statement about what is right or wrong
"There are no moral claims" says nothing on the moral right or wrong of anything
By saying Nothing is right or wrong you are making a statement about what is right or wrong
no, no you are not.
It says nothing **about** right or wrong
so it is not a moral claim
no