Capital punishment is so silly

We will tell people killing is wrong by... killing some people, at great expense to the taxpayer

Capital punishment is stupid, because the state has no authority to take away someone's right to life

Not to mention the posthumus exoneration rates of executed prisoners are way higher than exoneration for other crimes

@Fitzydog exactly, either you believe in murder is bad in principle or you aren't anti-murder, it's that simple

@Fitzydog surely that's literally the only authority the state has?

the state has monopoly on force, that's what makes it the state, no?

Negative

The only authority the state has, is that which you give it.

And the only legitimate authority it SHOULD have, is the arbitration of property rights disputes

Capital punishment can be done with greatly reduced expense. Lol

then no state has the right to go to war.

ever.

Probably correct, yes

Only need a bullet. Boom. Cost is greatly reduced.

how does the state have the ability to arbitrate on property disputes without monopoly on force?

I don't know, seems to do that just fine.

if the state didn't have monopoly on force, any arbitration would be mute.

because it would have no means to enforce it.

@Jax the Clackker Because we gave it that authority

The monopoly on force is held in commons by the citizenry

Thus, the 2nd amendment

https://twitter.com/GoodwinMJ/status/1060985378692349959

then there's nothing wrong with vigilantism right?

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Define vigilantism

civilians performing law enforcement without legal authority

define without <:GWfroggyBlobWokeThink:398570327942365195>

"A member of a self-appointed group of citizens who undertake law enforcement in their community without legal authority, typically because the legal agencies are thought to be inadequate."

Legal authority is a pretty grey area, tbh.

Like, at what level is the cutoff at which the state should have ultimate control over the investigation process and detainment?

What about private detectives? Or armed guards?

both of those require a license tho

And then what about tieing up a burglar in your home when he breaks in?

that's self defence, also sanctioned government violence.

depending where you are of course.

we still get some fuckery where people defending themselves are prosecuted in the uk

that's always grade a bullshit.

I guess then it all comes down to the agreed upon law enforcement practices of the geographic area in which you're in, agreed upon by its residents

the populace allows the government to have monopoly on force in a democracy, but the government still has monopoly on force though.

As long as the citizenry allows it, sure.

*Theoretically*

relevant

well if they don't it's a dictatorship