these guys are stamped off a factory or something

We've stacked up a mountain of evidence and he's brought faith-based arguments

I'm sorry, how do you know these genes have any causal relation to IQ?

i dont think so

@fuguer, just like I need to have complete sociological understanding before I reject twin studies?

so some unknown sociological effect causes twins raised in different environments to be 80% similar with respect to intelligence, and much more similar to each other in intelligence than people they were raised with and shared an environment with @BabygottBach ?

what a hypocrite you are

No you need to have any iota of proof

can you just tell me if that's your position?

Which uou have provided exactly none

No smart black population ever in the history of man, with a massive variance in enviroment

@Nerthulas, I've proven that there ARE sociological studies that show social effects for IQ.

@BabygottBach this one please

I'm just not familiar with them

You also aren't

if you're picking and choosing what scientific studies to accept and they happen to all align with your worldview, then you're not intellectually honest

No one here is

no I'm not talking about social causes of IQ

you're just like a climate denier

You equate an imcomplete understanding with a void understanding

please understand

@fuguer, have you read the sociological studies?

I'm asking you to explain the similarity of twins with respect to this

>these studies I never read say something that validates my worldview

No, you've come in to disprove and downgrade the heritability factor of IQ

That's what you came in with

I'm not asking you if sociological factors can influence IQ, please understand that @BabygottBach

@Nerthulas the study I linked is just such a study

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4888873/

I'm asking you if you think that sociological factors account for the 80% similarity between twins regardless of environment with respect to intelligence

I said I'm not asking you if sociological factors influence IQ

This study isclaiming hat position.

I know you did

no its not, it claims that they should be more cautious

lol

can you explain their mechanism?

It does more than that I'm afraid

their explanation of that?

"These findings should encourage caution among those who claim that the frequently trivial variance attributed to shared environments in behavioral genetic models means that families, schools, and neighborhoods do not meaningfully influence these outcomes."

Yeah there is a difference between a critique of the methodology behind twin studies and actually producing some empirical evidence that contradicts them lol

yes, they just encourage caution