No smart black population ever in the history of man, with a massive variance in enviroment

@Nerthulas, I've proven that there ARE sociological studies that show social effects for IQ.

@BabygottBach this one please

I'm just not familiar with them

You also aren't

if you're picking and choosing what scientific studies to accept and they happen to all align with your worldview, then you're not intellectually honest

No one here is

no I'm not talking about social causes of IQ

you're just like a climate denier

You equate an imcomplete understanding with a void understanding

please understand

@fuguer, have you read the sociological studies?

I'm asking you to explain the similarity of twins with respect to this

>these studies I never read say something that validates my worldview

No, you've come in to disprove and downgrade the heritability factor of IQ

That's what you came in with

I'm not asking you if sociological factors can influence IQ, please understand that @BabygottBach

@Nerthulas the study I linked is just such a study

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pmc/articles/PMC4888873/

I'm asking you if you think that sociological factors account for the 80% similarity between twins regardless of environment with respect to intelligence

I said I'm not asking you if sociological factors influence IQ

This study isclaiming hat position.

I know you did

no its not, it claims that they should be more cautious

lol

can you explain their mechanism?

It does more than that I'm afraid

their explanation of that?

"These findings should encourage caution among those who claim that the frequently trivial variance attributed to shared environments in behavioral genetic models means that families, schools, and neighborhoods do not meaningfully influence these outcomes."

Yeah there is a difference between a critique of the methodology behind twin studies and actually producing some empirical evidence that contradicts them lol

yes, they just encourage caution

they don't claim to be some big btfo

and I don't know how people have responded to them

` Using monozygotic twin fixed effects models, which compare outcomes among genetically identical pairs, we show that many characteristics of objectively shared environments significantly moderate the effects of nonshared environments on adolescent academic achievement and verbal intelligence, violating the additivity assumption of behavioral genetic methods. `

I'll have to investigate that

Damn, they do more than encourage caution

How dishonest can you be?

I just quoted them

They aren't JUST encouraging caution

```Another study, commissioned by the editor of the journal Science, looked at genetics and IQ. The Minnesota researchers found that about 70 percent of IQ variation across the twin population was due to genetic differences among people, and 30 percent was due to environmental differences. The finding received both praise and criticism, but an updated study in 2009 containing new sets of twins found a similar correlation between genetics and IQ.```