Message from @Nerthulas
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if you're picking and choosing what scientific studies to accept and they happen to all align with your worldview, then you're not intellectually honest
No one here is
no I'm not talking about social causes of IQ
you're just like a climate denier
You equate an imcomplete understanding with a void understanding
please understand
@fuguer, have you read the sociological studies?
I'm asking you to explain the similarity of twins with respect to this
>these studies I never read say something that validates my worldview
No, you've come in to disprove and downgrade the heritability factor of IQ
That's what you came in with
I'm not asking you if sociological factors can influence IQ, please understand that @BabygottBach
@Nerthulas the study I linked is just such a study
I'm asking you if you think that sociological factors account for the 80% similarity between twins regardless of environment with respect to intelligence
I said I'm not asking you if sociological factors influence IQ
This study isclaiming hat position.
I know you did
no its not, it claims that they should be more cautious
lol
It does more than that I'm afraid
their explanation of that?
"These findings should encourage caution among those who claim that the frequently trivial variance attributed to shared environments in behavioral genetic models means that families, schools, and neighborhoods do not meaningfully influence these outcomes."
Yeah there is a difference between a critique of the methodology behind twin studies and actually producing some empirical evidence that contradicts them lol
yes, they just encourage caution
they don't claim to be some big btfo
and I don't know how people have responded to them
` Using monozygotic twin fixed effects models, which compare outcomes among genetically identical pairs, we show that many characteristics of objectively shared environments significantly moderate the effects of nonshared environments on adolescent academic achievement and verbal intelligence, violating the additivity assumption of behavioral genetic methods. `
I'll have to investigate that
Damn, they do more than encourage caution
How dishonest can you be?
I just quoted them
They aren't JUST encouraging caution
```Another study, commissioned by the editor of the journal Science, looked at genetics and IQ. The Minnesota researchers found that about 70 percent of IQ variation across the twin population was due to genetic differences among people, and 30 percent was due to environmental differences. The finding received both praise and criticism, but an updated study in 2009 containing new sets of twins found a similar correlation between genetics and IQ.```
I didn't say they were
I said that was their conclusion
and I'm right
lol