And it puts forward an eternal universe

but you said we know it has a beginning

but to a theist thats just kicking the can @fuguer

Singularity

neither of you understand the argument from motion cause it has nothing to do with the beginning of the universe

its not a singularity

I know Rose... w/e idea

The mathemetician

Amnesiac universe

etc

That still doesn't account for it

glamp you know that motion is irelevant... inertia is a byproduct of the symmetry of space

Nor does it dismiss pantheism

A flood did happen though 12k years ago, there are two different theories, the missoulou ice damn breaking, and another theory gaining traction, the comet impact theory

aquinas himself didnt think it was possible to prove by philosophical means that the universe began to exist. for the purposes of his argument it could be eternal

@Deleted User https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=lBNdNH227j4

Or Panentheism

doesnt matter

Watch that Panik.

i would argue the universe probably created its complexity recursively by interacting with itself

Rather those views of the Universe as eternal and cyclical are earlier found in the Vedas

when aquinas says motion he's talking about change in general

we know that a single electron can interact with itself

not only things changing position

Correct

That's exactly what the Vedas say, Fug

@Hector sure

i suspect even the smallest kernel of the universe can create something infinitely vast through self interaction

@Deleted User watch all his videos. He is the guy that got me to convert.

Good stuff

leonard susskind talks about this as well, the expansion of complexity growing inside black holes

its inevitable and tied to entropy

MMW maybe the vedas had some good ideas

I think you are only thinking of God in the Abrahamic sense

1. we strongly suspect spatial dimensions are curved

Ttyl later for sure this time

it was fun

anyone got an image of black on white vs white on black crime statistics

(string theory assumes the small rolled up dimensions form loops curving in on themselves), and strings can wind around these dimensions

so clearly macroscopic dimensions would have the same basic structure and be cyclic as well

2. time and space are similar, so we could expect time to have a cyclic loop structure as well