what if my forebrain is so highly developed that i derive maximal pleasure from creating future pleasure

doing work good for works (god's) sake

Yes. But not only yours, but your own's

@fuguer , probably depends on one's eschatological beliefs

well pleasure defines the shapes of everything..

First you, then your family, race, people, species

no one can give me a satisfactory answer

no, the shape of your plug defines your pleasure

Well, are you an atheist?

Only you can get an answer

thus i reject morality as having any sort of firm foundation

dont be a child, you choose your morality

?

Before one can answer what is good, one must answer what is God

yes

you wanna us to choose your dinner and next job?

@blanc
thats an argument about groups and social relationships..
It doesnt affect pleasure or anti-pleasure

yes

What's for dinner, @blanc?

Should I quit my job

Maybe

pleasure is not the objective

jeez

@blanc

The group is a pleasure... its a social pleasure
you want to belong with nice people
and you avoid bad people.

why would you do that? @fuguer

well thats a very wide perception of pleasure

One must move out of one's Mom's house before deciding if it's good or bad to quit one's job.

So I can study particle physics full time

so you are against people doing things they dont like??

Quit ur job

And truly understand the meaning of life

Plato would argue to love doing good for it's own sake is most just

^

I hate to say so but this is why I dislike applying philosophical beliefs upon the principle that they are reasonable

But you must feed yourself, @fuguer

Even if it doesnt bring you pleasure, bettering yourself is important

Particles don't care if you starve

@fuguer I don't think so man. You are in a good career, maybe take a break or move if you need some time

Because virtue isn't saying anything which is necessarily malign or untrue, yet it could easily be used to justify acts which are

I have 4 mouths to feed + 1 dog + a dozen or so ducks

Pleasure and pride aren't the same thing