what if your ultimate pleasure is being highly moral? then by being moral aren't you simply indulging in hedonism?

Weimar Germany and the late stages of Rome were hedonistic. In my opinion

I meant buy sex slaves and marry them..
instead of selecting *proper wives from fine families*

is the only way to be good to hate doing good? or does that make you evil?

i know the answer, kinda

are boomer hedonists?
selling out future for a few vacations and early retirement?

@virtue ah ya, I'm somewhat familiar with that line of thinking. But then poor people realized that people who were getting ahead weren't actually good people. And that worldview died

and is that sexual hedonism?

which is more virtuous? to love doing good for it's own sake, or to hate doing good but to do it anyways?

sexual hedonism is some modern 19th century thing

Indulging in pleasure is basically thinking short-term in the traditional sense. Thinking of yhe future's pleasure is what an accomplished human should strive for

that's more or less the german philosophy

what if my forebrain is so highly developed that i derive maximal pleasure from creating future pleasure

doing work good for works (god's) sake

Yes. But not only yours, but your own's

@fuguer , probably depends on one's eschatological beliefs

well pleasure defines the shapes of everything..

First you, then your family, race, people, species

no one can give me a satisfactory answer

no, the shape of your plug defines your pleasure

Well, are you an atheist?

Only you can get an answer

thus i reject morality as having any sort of firm foundation

dont be a child, you choose your morality

?

Before one can answer what is good, one must answer what is God

yes

you wanna us to choose your dinner and next job?

@blanc
thats an argument about groups and social relationships..
It doesnt affect pleasure or anti-pleasure

yes

What's for dinner, @blanc?

Should I quit my job

Maybe

pleasure is not the objective

jeez

@blanc

The group is a pleasure... its a social pleasure
you want to belong with nice people
and you avoid bad people.

why would you do that? @fuguer

well thats a very wide perception of pleasure

One must move out of one's Mom's house before deciding if it's good or bad to quit one's job.

So I can study particle physics full time

so you are against people doing things they dont like??