Message from @Daniil
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He asked: Which of you has closer kinship with the man who thinks that he is a prophet? Abu Sufyan said: I. So they seated me in front of him and stated my companions behind me. Then, he called his interpreter and said to him: Tell them that I am going to ask this fellow about the man who thinks that he is a prophet. If he tells me a lie, then refute him. ... Ceasar said to his interpreter: Inquire from him about his ancestry, I said: He is of good ancestry among us. He asked: Has there been a king among his ancestors? I said: No. He asked: Did you accuse him of falsehood before he proclaimed his prophethood? I said: No. He asked: Who are his follower people of high status or low status? I said: (They are) of low status. He asked: Are they increasing in number or decreasing? I said. No. they are rather increasing. He asked: Does anyone give up his religion, being dissatisfied with it, after having embraced it? I said: No. He asked: Have you been at war with him? I said: Yes. He asked: How did you fare in that war? I said: The war between us and him has been wavering like a bucket, up at one turn and down at the other (i. e. the victory has been shared between us and him by turns). Sometimes he suffered loss at our hands and sometimes we suffered loss at his (hand). He asked: Has he (ever) violated his covenant? I said: No. but we have recently concluded a peace treaty with him for a petiod and we do not know what he is going to do about it. (Abu Sufyin said on oath that he could not interpolate in this dialogue anything from himself more than these words ) He asked: Did anyone make the proclamation (Of prophethood) before him? I said: No.
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Ceasar said to his interpreter: Tell him, I asked him about his ancestry and he had replied that he had the best ancestry. This is the case with Prophets; they are the descendants of the noblest among their people, he continued: I asked you if there had been a king among his ancestors. You said that there had been none. If there had been a king among his ancestors, I would have said that he was a man demanding his ancestral kingdom. I asked you about his followers whether they were people of high or low status, and you said that they were of rather low status. Such are the followers of the Prophets. I asked you whether you used to accuse him of falsehood before he proclaimed his prophethood, and you said that you did not. So I have understood that when he did not allow himself to tell a lie about the poeple, he would never go to the length of forging a falsehood about Allah. I asked you whether anyone renounced his religion being dissatisfied with it after he had embraced it, and you replied in the negative. Faith is like this when it enters the depth of the heart (it perpetuates them). I asked you whether his followers were increasing or decreasing. You said they were increasing. Faith is like this until it reaches its consummation. I asked you whether you had been at war with him, and you replied that you had been and that the victory between you and him had been shared by turns, sometimes he suffering loss at your hand and sometimes you suffering lost at his. This is how the Prophets are tried before the final victory its theirs. I asked you whether he (ever) violated his covenant, and you said that he did not. This is how the Prophets behave. They never violate (their covenants). I asked you whether anyone before him had proclaimed the same thing, and you replied in the negative. I said: If anyone had made the same proclamation before, I would have thought that he was a man following what had been proclaimed before.
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(Then) he asked: What does he enjoin upon you? I said: He exhorts us to offer Salat, to pay Zakat, to show due regard to kinship and to practise chastity. He said: If what you have told about him is true, he is certainly a Prophet. I knew that he was to appear but I did not think that he would be from among you. If I knew that I would be able to reach him. I would love to meet him; and it I had been with him. I would have washed his feet (out of reverence). His dominion would certainly extend to this place which is under my feet.
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Then he called for the letter of the Messenger of Allah (may peaace be upon him) and read it. The letter ran as follows:" In the name of Allah, Most Gracious and Most Merciful. From Muhammad, the Messenger of Allah, to Hiraql, the Emperor of the Romans. Peace be upon him who follows the guidance. After this, I extend to you the invitation to accept Islam. Embrace Islam and you will be safe. Accept Islam, God will give you double the reward. And if you turn away, upon you will be the sin of your subjects." O People of the Book, come to the word that is common between us that we should worship none other than Allah, should not ascribe any partner to Him and some of us should not take their fellows as Lords other than Allah. If they turn away, you should say that we testify to our being Muslims [iii. 64]." When he had finished the reading of the letter, noise and confused clamour was raise around him, and he ordered us to leave. Accordingly, we left. Addressing my companions, while we were coming out of the place, I said: Ibn Abu Kabsha (referring sarcastically to the Holy Prophet) has come to wield a great power. Lo! (even) the king of the Romans is afraid of him. I continued to believe that the authority of the Messenger of Allah would triumph until God imbued me with (the spirit of) Islam.
^ Islamic apology
Is islam considered to be part of Christianity now? Confused.
Islam is an anti-trinitarian Christian heresy
Change my mind
It is indeed
Islam is like the communism of religion, just fucking stupid
Yup
And yet a lot of people still believe in it for some reason
And so is Judaism
Yeah but not as many people
@888 Moz was just posting a transcript of something he was talking about
@SUPER MALE VITALITY™ Oh, ok. I thought I was in the wrong place for a second. I probably just missed a prior conversation.
It must, of course, be held as a matter of faith that outside the apostolic Roman Church no one can be saved, that the Church is the only ark of salvation, and that whoever does not enter it will perish in the flood. On the other hand, it must likewise be held as certain that those who live in ignorance of the true religion, if such ignorance be invincible, are not subject to any guilt in this matter before the eyes of the Lord. But then, who would dare to set limits to this ignorance, taking into consideration the natural differences of people, lands, native talents, and so many other factors?
Pope Pius IX, Singulari Quadam, 1854
Wow pranked by <#435529023666257932> but it still works
http://константиновохрам.рф/psaltir/download/book/ps_3.pdf
I remember seeing an article saying it was proven that fetus's feel pain in the abortion process. Can anyone find it? Google and Duckduckgo have been unhelpful
Never use that because you are reducing humanity to sensory information
doesnt really help the conversation
What do memories and pain have to do with anything?
>consciously diagnose the pain as an issue
Is this nigger serious?
Also you put yourself in this situation where you have pretty much allowed some random retard to define life as whatever
Saying "hurr durr doesn't count if no memories" is like saying that you can murder someone if he doesn't like the color blue, it is an arbitrary retardation that someone made up on the spot as damage control
The things you call "pain" are just the transmission of some electrical impulses through whatever medium, it has nothing to do with life lmao could as well say that we are alive when we hear a guitar or something
Because you say this retardation, and the answer is going to be "sure, then we kill them a day earlier lmao"
I actually used to argue along that line.
It led me to the conclusion that the only reason killing infants that can't form memories yet is wrong is because they don't have to rely solely on one person.
So in the end you're just arguing from viability anyway
But yes, it's very dumb
Again, what do you seek, something that tells you that they observed some movement in some fetuses after 4 weeks? 4 months?
Imo, without God life has no value. Because even if you kill someone, they aren't going to remember it. Everything ends up being pointless to the point of absurdity
Anyways, if we continue this conversation, let us bring it to general, this channel should be for providing data and similar only
Holy Spirit of Light and Love,
to You I consecrate my heart, mind, and will
for time and eternity.
May I be ever docile to Your Divine inspirations
and to the teachings of the holy Catholic Church
whose infallible guide You are.
May my heart be ever inflamed
with the love of God and love of neighbour.
May my will be ever in harmony with Your Divine Will.
May my life faithfully imitate the life and virtues
of our Lord and Saviour Jesus Christ.
To Him,
with the Father,
and You, Divine Spirit,
be honour and glory forever.
Amen.
Saint Pius X consecration to God the Holy Ghost
Because your evenings were probably going too well:
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=DR29SNVGcbs