Message from @Quarantine_Zone

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2019-04-04 23:58:44 UTC  

yes.

2019-04-04 23:59:13 UTC  

No lol, that's from a real episode of Scooby Doo Mystery Incorporated

2019-04-05 00:13:00 UTC  

I remember that episode

2019-04-05 00:13:14 UTC  

I liked that bit the armour on the dudes looked cool

2019-04-05 00:50:35 UTC  

http://www.kolumbus.fi/aquilon/revolution.pdf Skip to page 29 and read this

2019-04-05 01:31:16 UTC  

@cqc there is no response. The fathers are in vast disagreement

2019-04-05 01:31:54 UTC  

There is no way to reconcile Jerome and Bede or Augustine and Chrysostom

2019-04-05 01:32:05 UTC  

Among many other conflicts

2019-04-05 01:32:36 UTC  

The three things on which the fathers agree universally are real presence, baptismal regeneration, and apostasy

2019-04-05 01:33:13 UTC  

And if you're honest with scriptures and don't try to shove it into a system, I believe you will indeed come to the same conclusions

2019-04-05 02:18:27 UTC  

Idk denom this guy is, but if he's Lutheran, then your only out is to debate Nicaea II

2019-04-05 02:18:43 UTC  

For Reformed, hit them with the above three things I mentioned

2019-04-05 02:19:07 UTC  

Same for Wesleyans, Remonstrants, and Anglicans

2019-04-05 02:19:49 UTC  

Moravians will be in the same boat as Lutherans, affirming the first 6 councils, Baptismal Regeneration, Real Presence, and apostasy

2019-04-05 02:20:31 UTC  

But tbh, RCC doesn't follow 6th council because they don't affirm energy-essence

2019-04-05 04:29:05 UTC  
2019-04-05 06:07:21 UTC  

@Quarantine_Zone >And if you're honest with scriptures and don't try to shove it into a system, I believe you will indeed come to the same conclusions

We both know this isn't true

2019-04-05 06:08:17 UTC  

And please, considering you glorify a fat apostate who married a nun, refrain from trying to judge who follows councils

2019-04-05 06:08:33 UTC  

What do you mean? I was speaking entirely of things upon which we agree

2019-04-05 06:08:49 UTC  

People don't come to the same conclusions

2019-04-05 06:08:51 UTC  

We agree in real presence, baptismal regeneration, and apostasy

2019-04-05 06:09:13 UTC  

And you'd be hard pressed to find a single father that disagrees

2019-04-05 06:10:11 UTC  

Tertullian is the only one you could take to believe in "spiritual presence" in communion, but even that is questionable

2019-04-05 06:10:23 UTC  

I don't see how that is related at all to what I ahve said

2019-04-05 06:10:44 UTC  

I am only speaking of reading the fathers honestly

2019-04-05 06:10:49 UTC  

And none more

2019-04-05 06:11:19 UTC  

aaah ok

2019-04-05 06:11:34 UTC  

The fathers agree on those three points.

2019-04-05 06:11:42 UTC  

Lest you twist them horribly

2019-04-05 06:13:49 UTC  

And the energy-essence distinction is affirmed at the sixth council

2019-04-05 06:14:05 UTC  

Again, I'm just trying to be honest with the fathers here

2019-04-05 06:14:32 UTC  

The council is very clear on this matter. The doctrine is affirmed on two separate occasions at the council

2019-04-05 06:14:55 UTC  

Can you quote what part of the council is supposed to be somehow rejected by cahtolics?

2019-04-05 06:15:39 UTC  

Yeah. Gimme a sec

2019-04-05 06:18:05 UTC  

"We have also examined the synodal letter of Sophronius of holy memory, some time Patriarch of the Holy City of Christ our God, Jerusalem, and have found it in accordance with the true faith and with the Apostolic teachings, and with those of the holy approved Fathers. Therefore we have received it as orthodox and as salutary to the holy Catholic and Apostolic Church, and have decreed that it is right that his name be inserted in the diptychs of the Holy Churches."

2019-04-05 06:18:15 UTC  

Session XIII - Extracts from the Acts

2019-04-05 06:18:53 UTC  

And what is the relevant content of the letter?

2019-04-05 06:20:26 UTC  

The whole letter pretty much, but I'll give some highlights. Gimme another sec

2019-04-05 06:21:26 UTC  

Just for reference:

2019-04-05 06:23:03 UTC  

Oof, couldn't upload PDF

2019-04-05 06:23:31 UTC  

Here's a link: