Message from @Quarantine_Zone

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2019-04-05 06:08:33 UTC  

What do you mean? I was speaking entirely of things upon which we agree

2019-04-05 06:08:49 UTC  

People don't come to the same conclusions

2019-04-05 06:08:51 UTC  

We agree in real presence, baptismal regeneration, and apostasy

2019-04-05 06:09:13 UTC  

And you'd be hard pressed to find a single father that disagrees

2019-04-05 06:10:11 UTC  

Tertullian is the only one you could take to believe in "spiritual presence" in communion, but even that is questionable

2019-04-05 06:10:23 UTC  

I don't see how that is related at all to what I ahve said

2019-04-05 06:10:44 UTC  

I am only speaking of reading the fathers honestly

2019-04-05 06:10:49 UTC  

And none more

2019-04-05 06:11:19 UTC  

aaah ok

2019-04-05 06:11:34 UTC  

The fathers agree on those three points.

2019-04-05 06:11:42 UTC  

Lest you twist them horribly

2019-04-05 06:13:49 UTC  

And the energy-essence distinction is affirmed at the sixth council

2019-04-05 06:14:05 UTC  

Again, I'm just trying to be honest with the fathers here

2019-04-05 06:14:32 UTC  

The council is very clear on this matter. The doctrine is affirmed on two separate occasions at the council

2019-04-05 06:14:55 UTC  

Can you quote what part of the council is supposed to be somehow rejected by cahtolics?

2019-04-05 06:15:39 UTC  

Yeah. Gimme a sec

2019-04-05 06:18:05 UTC  

"We have also examined the synodal letter of Sophronius of holy memory, some time Patriarch of the Holy City of Christ our God, Jerusalem, and have found it in accordance with the true faith and with the Apostolic teachings, and with those of the holy approved Fathers. Therefore we have received it as orthodox and as salutary to the holy Catholic and Apostolic Church, and have decreed that it is right that his name be inserted in the diptychs of the Holy Churches."

2019-04-05 06:18:15 UTC  

Session XIII - Extracts from the Acts

2019-04-05 06:18:53 UTC  

And what is the relevant content of the letter?

2019-04-05 06:20:26 UTC  

The whole letter pretty much, but I'll give some highlights. Gimme another sec

2019-04-05 06:21:26 UTC  

Just for reference:

2019-04-05 06:23:03 UTC  

Oof, couldn't upload PDF

2019-04-05 06:23:31 UTC  

Here's a link:

2019-04-05 06:25:19 UTC  

Chapter 2.10-11

2019-04-05 06:25:47 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/435520935647248414/563610219037458433/Screenshot_20190405-022523_Adobe_Acrobat.jpg

2019-04-05 06:25:49 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/435520935647248414/563610226889064451/Screenshot_20190405-022532_Adobe_Acrobat.jpg

2019-04-05 06:25:51 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/435520935647248414/563610235919663114/Screenshot_20190405-022539_Adobe_Acrobat.jpg

2019-04-05 06:26:23 UTC  

Tbh though, I wish I had a text PDF of this. The energy-essence distinction is everywhere--all over the letter

2019-04-05 06:26:48 UTC  

I have another spot in the council though too

2019-04-05 06:27:21 UTC  

And now, what is the fragment there that is supposedly rejected by catholicism?

2019-04-05 06:29:31 UTC  

That is just talking about how Christ is fully God and fully human

2019-04-05 06:29:46 UTC  

The energy-essence distinction is right in there

2019-04-05 06:29:57 UTC  

"activities" is "energeias"

2019-04-05 06:29:58 UTC  

you can call it however you want

2019-04-05 06:30:05 UTC  

?

2019-04-05 06:30:09 UTC  

I can call it what it is

2019-04-05 06:30:15 UTC  

And nothing else

2019-04-05 06:30:29 UTC  

I will only call it the energy-essence distinction because that is what it is

2019-04-05 06:30:32 UTC  

No more, no less.

2019-04-05 06:30:33 UTC  

It says that Christ does things according to divine nature, and according to huan nature