Message from @Mozalbete ⳩

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2019-05-18 14:04:11 UTC  

I would say inherited corruption, but still the focus is on corrupt nature, inclination towards sin with sinful desires etc, so even if there is some disagreement I doubt it is a big deal

2019-05-18 14:05:06 UTC  

Sinning is an action

2019-05-18 14:05:50 UTC  

What I've been taught is that sin is not natural and is sort of a consequence of our free will

2019-05-18 14:06:00 UTC  

? @Mozalbete ⳩ I forget that people don't understand that they are dead. Matthew 8:22

2019-05-18 14:06:01 UTC  

**Matthew 8:22 - New Revised Standard Version (NRSV)**

```Dust


<22> But Jesus said to him, "Follow me, and let the dead bury their own dead."```

2019-05-18 14:06:19 UTC  

Sin is a thing that you have to willingly partake of

2019-05-18 14:06:41 UTC  

I forget that they don't understand that "In the day that Adam and Eve ate the Fruit THEY DIED." God is not a liar.

2019-05-18 14:07:18 UTC  

Because that death is the departure from God and the true life

2019-05-18 14:07:59 UTC  

Exactly, we are all dead. We are all in Hell. Jesus came to Hell to redeem what he could and see that people were born into Life.

2019-05-18 14:09:11 UTC  

Lmao we are not in Hell, that is what awaits to those who die (as in, the normal death we all understand) while not in a state of grace

2019-05-18 14:10:14 UTC  

I don't understand what point you are trying to make

2019-05-18 14:10:26 UTC  

😃 We are most definitely in Hell (you must live a very sheltered life). This is why The Son of God died and came here to redeem us...because he LOVED US.

2019-05-18 14:10:45 UTC  

There is no salvation in Hell, so we are most definitely not in Hell

2019-05-18 14:10:57 UTC  

The second sentence you said is unrelated to the first one

2019-05-18 14:11:03 UTC  

Consider the difference between Heaven and this place. This is Hell

2019-05-18 14:11:14 UTC  

For some reason you seem to imply that God only loves us if we are in Hell

2019-05-18 14:11:28 UTC  

Lmao differences are one thing, and being in Hell is another one

2019-05-18 14:11:51 UTC  

There is redemption in Hell. God is Everything, Everywhere. We are sinner, fallen, dead in Hell and God wants us to be Born Again.

2019-05-18 14:11:52 UTC  

To what extent one could consider the lack of fire be an extension of the worst parts of this life, I don't know

2019-05-18 14:11:59 UTC  

Christ descended into Hades and freed the souls trapped there

2019-05-18 14:12:05 UTC  

It is made very clear that there is no redemption in Hell lmao

2019-05-18 14:12:09 UTC  

This is not hell. That is some strange talking point.

2019-05-18 14:12:11 UTC  

Take for example the parable with Lazarus

2019-05-18 14:12:17 UTC  

Yes...US IN HELL @Jay Dubya

2019-05-18 14:12:20 UTC  

And many more ways in whic we are told to be prepared

2019-05-18 14:12:35 UTC  

That sounds like some bizarre nonsense from the 1800s

2019-05-18 14:12:50 UTC  

John 12:32

2019-05-18 14:12:51 UTC  

**John 12:32 - New Revised Standard Version (NRSV)**

```Dust


<32> And I, when I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all people to myself." ```

2019-05-18 14:12:53 UTC  

We are born again in baptism

2019-05-18 14:13:02 UTC  

You've seen too many movies or listening to too much edgy music

2019-05-18 14:13:30 UTC  

That is some new age nonsense

2019-05-18 14:13:32 UTC  

Luke 16:19-31

2019-05-18 14:13:33 UTC  

**Luke 16:19-31 - Douay-Rheims 1899 American Edition (DRA)**

```Dust


<19> There was a certain rich man, who was clothed in purple and fine linen; and feasted sumptuously every day. <20> And there was a certain beggar, named Lazarus, who lay at his gate, full of sores, <21> Desiring to be filled with the crumbs that fell from the rich man's table, and no one did give him; moreover the dogs came, and licked his sores. <22> And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom. And the rich man also died: and he was buried in hell. <23> And lifting up his eyes when he was in torments, he saw Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom: <24> And he cried, and said: Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, to cool my tongue: for I am tormented in this flame. <25> And Abraham said to him: Son, remember that thou didst receive good things in thy lifetime, and likewise Lazareth evil things, but now he is comforted; and thou art tormented. <26> And besides all this, between us and you, there is fixed a great chaos: so that they who would pass from hence to you, cannot, nor from thence come hither. <27> And he said: Then, father, I beseech thee, that thou wouldst send him to my father's house, for I have five brethren, <28> That he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torments. <29> And Abraham said to him: They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them. <30> But he said: No, father Abraham: but if one went to them from the dead, they will do penance. <31> And he said to him: If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they believe, if one rise again from the dead. ```

2019-05-18 14:13:46 UTC  

Lifted up, born again...from the dead

2019-05-18 14:14:06 UTC  

Born again as opposed to our corrupt predisposition towards sin

2019-05-18 14:14:10 UTC  

You have to want to stay in Hell, I guess...if you are going to remain here

2019-05-18 14:14:25 UTC  

Genesis 1:1-31

2019-05-18 14:14:25 UTC  

The passage is too long for me to grab, sorry.

2019-05-18 14:14:29 UTC  

Hue

2019-05-18 14:14:32 UTC  

Just use 2 parts

2019-05-18 14:14:32 UTC  

Rip