Message from @Mozalbete ⳩

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2019-05-18 14:11:03 UTC  

Consider the difference between Heaven and this place. This is Hell

2019-05-18 14:11:14 UTC  

For some reason you seem to imply that God only loves us if we are in Hell

2019-05-18 14:11:28 UTC  

Lmao differences are one thing, and being in Hell is another one

2019-05-18 14:11:51 UTC  

There is redemption in Hell. God is Everything, Everywhere. We are sinner, fallen, dead in Hell and God wants us to be Born Again.

2019-05-18 14:11:52 UTC  

To what extent one could consider the lack of fire be an extension of the worst parts of this life, I don't know

2019-05-18 14:11:59 UTC  

Christ descended into Hades and freed the souls trapped there

2019-05-18 14:12:05 UTC  

It is made very clear that there is no redemption in Hell lmao

2019-05-18 14:12:09 UTC  

This is not hell. That is some strange talking point.

2019-05-18 14:12:11 UTC  

Take for example the parable with Lazarus

2019-05-18 14:12:17 UTC  

Yes...US IN HELL @Jay Dubya

2019-05-18 14:12:20 UTC  

And many more ways in whic we are told to be prepared

2019-05-18 14:12:35 UTC  

That sounds like some bizarre nonsense from the 1800s

2019-05-18 14:12:50 UTC  

John 12:32

2019-05-18 14:12:51 UTC  

**John 12:32 - New Revised Standard Version (NRSV)**

```Dust


<32> And I, when I am lifted up from the earth, will draw all people to myself." ```

2019-05-18 14:12:53 UTC  

We are born again in baptism

2019-05-18 14:13:02 UTC  

You've seen too many movies or listening to too much edgy music

2019-05-18 14:13:30 UTC  

That is some new age nonsense

2019-05-18 14:13:32 UTC  

Luke 16:19-31

2019-05-18 14:13:33 UTC  

**Luke 16:19-31 - Douay-Rheims 1899 American Edition (DRA)**

```Dust


<19> There was a certain rich man, who was clothed in purple and fine linen; and feasted sumptuously every day. <20> And there was a certain beggar, named Lazarus, who lay at his gate, full of sores, <21> Desiring to be filled with the crumbs that fell from the rich man's table, and no one did give him; moreover the dogs came, and licked his sores. <22> And it came to pass, that the beggar died, and was carried by the angels into Abraham's bosom. And the rich man also died: and he was buried in hell. <23> And lifting up his eyes when he was in torments, he saw Abraham afar off, and Lazarus in his bosom: <24> And he cried, and said: Father Abraham, have mercy on me, and send Lazarus, that he may dip the tip of his finger in water, to cool my tongue: for I am tormented in this flame. <25> And Abraham said to him: Son, remember that thou didst receive good things in thy lifetime, and likewise Lazareth evil things, but now he is comforted; and thou art tormented. <26> And besides all this, between us and you, there is fixed a great chaos: so that they who would pass from hence to you, cannot, nor from thence come hither. <27> And he said: Then, father, I beseech thee, that thou wouldst send him to my father's house, for I have five brethren, <28> That he may testify unto them, lest they also come into this place of torments. <29> And Abraham said to him: They have Moses and the prophets; let them hear them. <30> But he said: No, father Abraham: but if one went to them from the dead, they will do penance. <31> And he said to him: If they hear not Moses and the prophets, neither will they believe, if one rise again from the dead. ```

2019-05-18 14:13:46 UTC  

Lifted up, born again...from the dead

2019-05-18 14:14:06 UTC  

Born again as opposed to our corrupt predisposition towards sin

2019-05-18 14:14:10 UTC  

You have to want to stay in Hell, I guess...if you are going to remain here

2019-05-18 14:14:25 UTC  

Genesis 1:1-31

2019-05-18 14:14:25 UTC  

The passage is too long for me to grab, sorry.

2019-05-18 14:14:29 UTC  

Hue

2019-05-18 14:14:32 UTC  

Just use 2 parts

2019-05-18 14:14:32 UTC  

Rip

2019-05-18 14:14:33 UTC  

Yes, Sin guards the door, gate to Heaven.

2019-05-18 14:14:46 UTC  

Sin is not a person, it is disobediance for God

2019-05-18 14:14:55 UTC  

Where did you learn that mess form lmao

2019-05-18 14:14:59 UTC  

It is both.

2019-05-18 14:15:04 UTC  

Some obscure website from the 2000s?

2019-05-18 14:15:15 UTC  

I too would like to know where you got this silly idea from.

2019-05-18 14:15:19 UTC  

Satan sinned by being Jealous of man. It's not specified.

2019-05-18 14:15:21 UTC  

It is the 'serpent' who stood in the place of God

2019-05-18 14:15:24 UTC  

What sort of prot nonsense is this

2019-05-18 14:15:29 UTC  

"Where did you learn that mess from"

It's his personal interpretation <:thinksmirk:564102152239185920>

2019-05-18 14:15:32 UTC  

Idk I don't believe it.

2019-05-18 14:15:46 UTC  

Satan committed the first sin.

2019-05-18 14:15:58 UTC  

Sin was born of satan.

2019-05-18 14:16:24 UTC  

I will stop. It is not easy to comprehend. I understand