@Mozalbete ⳩ you say that as though we don't have a theocratic system of governance

You are responsible for yourself as an adult.

And now you know the truth

We do...based in jewish paganism (aka satanism)

Or you must figure it out

The Azrecs were born into their religion. Still corrupt because it is wrong

If there was agreement you wouldn't have broken from the Church

I say the same, schismnigger

Falsities are corruptions of the church

But as far as I know, there is no clear point of "breaking away"

Nobody cares about a couple of autists excommunicating each other btw

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I'm seeking a higher form of the church, but purgatory is not something based in scripture. Abraham's bosom and Hades is not purgatory, but exactly what they are. When did the idea of purgatory come about?

@Mozalbete ⳩ "I excommunicate you." "No, I excommunicate you , first." Lol

Lmao, isn't it clear in scripture that nothing impure will enter Heaven?

The main sticking points between orthos and cats is papal infallibility. Most other things are splitting hairs

@Mozalbete ⳩ God's forgiveness makes us pure.

What purifies us, I am not mentioning

One thing is forgiveness

What purifies us is His Grace.

Yes

@Iakovos God was never 'mad' at us...it was our decision to fall/eat the fruit/die

Though to be fair Cats are one homogeneous group where as orthos are split up and can't even agree on which councils are valid lmao

One thing is forgiveness, another thing the state of our soul as a natural consequence of sin

@888 God is angry and saving his wrath for the day of Judgement. Until then, he will grant forgiveness.

So purgatory would correspond to that purification, for those who are already forgiven and saved

Purgatory is evidenced in maccabees Remus and Jesus himself references it

Genesis 3:6

**Genesis 3:6 - New Revised Standard Version (NRSV)**

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<6> So when the woman saw that the tree was good for food, and that it was a delight to the eyes, and that the tree was to be desired to make one wise, she took of its fruit and ate; and she also gave some to her husband, who was with her, and he ate. ```

Why do I need to hurt before I enter heaven?

No, there are 7 councils all Orthodox Churches agree upon. Anyone who doesnt is a heretic

@Iakovos A good judgment is the best thing EVER...literally there is nothing better than a just judgment. There is no healing that is better.

So you may know joy

God is just and good

Ah yes, the three tricks of sin. Contains some good, seems attractive, seems reasonable

Purgatory is a thing the Catholics made up.

Holy fucm

@Iakovos Hurt? We are talking about purification, whic at times is described as purifying fire

What about the Coptic orthodox?

All over patristics you can find references to the purification required for Heaven

Purification is scary but not bad