@TheImperator
F. e. The prejudice that the whole Medieval Age was a dark age, is a myth, many great philosophic works were made in this time, there was a prosperous and very advanced Byzantine Empire, and important things like glasses, mechanic clocks, public libraries and print were invented in the Medieval Age.

@Max Mustermann | Gregor Gysi that can be true, but you have to admit old school, literal interpretations of Christianity are at odds with the theories the scientific community has come up with.

@TheImperator i dont doubt for a second that science is NOT the final authority on anything. it's limited comprehension based on limited evidence, where conclusions are drawn by humans who are ultimatly flawed and incapable of explaining the universe. the same reasoning can be used to explain why Christians themselves are terribly flawed as individuals (not to say Jesus/God is flawed)

Ancient Times were not better, in Ancient Times a whole stadium cheered to see children being torn apart by lions, raping your slaves was usual and a father had the right to throw his Child at the garbage in ancient Rome after the Birth.

@ninjacats I wasn't saying that science, itself, was wrong entirely. I'm saying that the modern world is not scientific in the slightest, and any scientific advancement it's responsible for is ultimately nothing compared to what came before.

@Max Mustermann | Gregor Gysi Things are worse now. Besides, modern people love sadistic pleasures and killing babies, so I don't know what you're on about.

@ninjacats
It depends on the perspective of literal, i know what you mean, the problem is, f. e. the world was made in seven days, but if we dig deeper, we see that the sun was made after day 1, so the Days in Genesis are not Earthly Days, they are time periods.

And many things were written for the Earthly perspective, like f. e. the Sun is moving from the Hebrews perspective, but this doesn't mean that the Earth isn't moving, Earth can be moving around the sun and it looks from the Human perspective, like the sun is moving.

Kopernikus f. e. was a pious Christian and he also stated, that nothing he says really contradicts the Biblexit just contradicted the Catholic approach of the Bible in the 15th century.

Honestly, the father having the right to kill his child was more in line with what's right than saying the state has a monopoly on how all children are raised. The latter is infinitely worse, and arguably lead to what we have now.

@TheImperator
There was more killing, more perversion and much more slaves in Ancient times, but i agree with you, there is the risk of returning to the prechristian wordly status.

@TheImperator
Both is evil, the first things kills a child of God and the 2nd thing can create a menace for society, if there is the purpose to do so.

No, there was not more perversion. They just to a better job at hiding it today. There was more killing, I agree, but we need more killing tbh. This entire situation is due, majorly, to any lack of conflict and near-complete atrophy of militarism in all aspects of life.

Worldly peace between men and nations, instead of peace under God, is Hell, honestly. All it does is lead to the absolute worst acts of depravity and moral apathy imaginable, before the false system inevitably collapses and leads back into the most egregious come-back of barbarism imaginable.

@TheImperator
_ For it is not my desire to act towards you as a man-pleaser, but as pleasing God, even as also you please Him…For if you are silent concerning me, I shall become God’s; but if you show your love to my flesh, I shall again have to run my race…Only request in my behalf both inward and outward strength, that I may not only speak, but [truly] will; and that I may not merely be called a Christian, but really be found to be one._

_Allow Me to Fall a Prey to the Wild Beasts_

_I write to the Churches, and impress on them all, that I shall willingly die for God, unless you hinder me. I beseech you not to show an unseasonable good will towards me. Suffer me to become food for the wild beasts, through whose instrumentality it will be granted me to attain to God. I am the wheat of God, and let me be ground by the teeth of the wild beasts, that I may be found the pure bread of Christ. Rather entice the wild beasts, that they may become my tomb, and may leave nothing of my body; so that when I have fallen asleep [in death], I may be no trouble to any one. Then shall I truly be a disciple of Christ, when the world shall not see so much as my body. Entreat Christ for me, that by these instruments. I may be found a sacrifice to God. I do not, as Peter and Paul, issue commandments unto you. They were apostles; I am but a condemned man: they were free, while I am, even until now, a servant. But when I suffer, I shall be the freed-man of Jesus, and shall rise again emancipated in Him. And now, being a prisoner, I learn not to desire anything worldly or vain._

_I Desire to Die._

St. Ignatius

Devoured by lions

noice

goals

Today while I was reading Nietzsche I wasn't swayed by him like I usually am, I kept thinking about early Christian philosophy and the nature of creation

Y'all are getting to me

Should probably read the gospel too

I am lol, Starting with Matthew

Nice

Then want to read Paul's letters

I finally got my good translation bible

So I’ll get into it too

I've got the Orthodox study Bible

I’ve got the Biblia de Jerusalen because I speak Spanish and I’m Catholic

Plus it’s probably the best translation

Directly from hebrew and greek

To spanish

gotta learn latin for the vulgate lad

I know some ecclesiastical latin

Lord’s Prayer, Hail Mary, Gloria and the Confiteor

Prayed a rosary in mostly latin today heh

Latin is easier to learn, if you speak a Latin language like Italian, Romanian or Spanish.

Yeah

theres a reason why the reformation hit the eternal germanics harder rhan the romance groups

@Dasick
True. Even if we Romanians had the Slavic language in lithurghy, except from crucial prayers like Our Father.

a lot of the kvetching re:acceasobility of the bible/liturgy makes way more or way less sense if you can already sorta understand whats going on

@Dasick
I agree, thats also biblical, Jesus said that the apostles should teach the peoples in their languages/so that they can understand.

the tradcath insistence on latin mass is admirable, even if kinda weird from our perspective :^)