Take it to <#567704060015280138> or I'll ban both of you

God knows what lies inside your mind and your entire self, but when you pray to him, you humble yourself, you recognize that you’re the not worthy of absolutely nothing yet with His eternal glory and infinite mercy He forgives you, but you have to recognize it before him, if we say that He already knows what we need and therefore we need not pray then what’s the point of trying to live a godly life? You fall into taking salvation for granted to a lower scale and that’s nothing more than a lie from the deceiver to condemn you

Therefore I suggest you that even if you’re not praying for a particular petition, give thanks and ask for humility before the Lord, words will come naturally after that

is prayer meant to be a petition to God?

Prayer can be just talking to God

I personally give thanks every day after I wake up and before I sleep

PRAY IN FEAR AND TREMBLING

@Deleted User dude, shut up or I'll put you in the pit

how is that not a response

Philippians 2:12

**Philippians 2:12 - New Revised Standard Version (NRSV)**

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Shining as Lights in the World

<12> Therefore, my beloved, just as you have always obeyed me, not only in my presence, but much more now in my absence, work out your own salvation with fear and trembling; ```

Because you aren't being productive

You can pray in fear as you can pray in joy

It’s our way to communicate with God

@MawLr I've been in to too much aestetic shit

So have I?

Kneeling is a typical position for prayer as well standing or sitting. I occasionally pray while lying in bed

Monks who fucking won't eat anything but water and hardtack

Fasting, it’s not out of fear but out of reverence

^

Because they don't want to experience any sort of wordly pleasure

I suppose yes

But they live their entire lives like such

idk

Pretty sure they sacrifice their worldly pleasure for the good of others... not that they don't want it.

Saying that someone doesn't want to experience worldly pleasure cheapens their sacrifice.

I'm just kind of like at what point are you denying the gifts God has given the world

Idk how monks do it. The most I went fasting was three days

Is abstaining from extramarital sex denying the gifts that God has given?

No, but you can enjoy such after entering marriage

Just like eating,

You are doing so in a way that is not gluttonous

In the same way sex is to be enjoyed solely through a covenant in marriage

And between a man and a woman

Dont you forget that part

@Wrath real funny cunt

You’re taking asceticism in a fearmongering way instead of the actual meaning of it

@Deleted User 🤔

It’s meant to make us reach theosis

I'm not saying these monks are wrong or anything

But like how far can asceticism go