> 15:29] Thotsky: because we have already established that most communities can operate peacefully without it

The problem is in your split-tongue with the word "peace" !!

@Leiro レイロ ok, IF you strive for ORDER, then you follow Natural Law.
IF you strive for disorder / chaos, then you transgress Natural Law.

--> Ok, humans who seek their advancement follow it.
Satanists who want destruction, despise it.

That's just a false dichotomy my friend

I strive for order, but I don't like natural law

your just asserting shit at this point

> 15:31] Thotsky: I strive for order, but I don't like natural law
Then you are in contradiction yourself 🙂

your just presenting a false dichotomy

if I don't follow natural law I'm for chaos because natural law strives for order

what a circular argument

actually I think your the one contradicting yourself, if communities have been peaceful without natural law, that means natural law is not a necessary prerequisite

and therefore, plain unnecessary

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

In order to strive for Order, you need to take care of at least 2 domains: the material domain and the spiritual domain. agree ?

well you have to define what is order

creating order: going from lesser capacity to higher capacity, from unhealthy to healthy, from lower complexity to higher complexity

GG @liquidnight, you just advanced to level 3!

capacity of what?

and what's healthy? who determines what is healthy or not?

and why does lower complexity automatically entail order not being present?

@liquidnight why do you support a ruling class?

> 15:40] Fuckers: why do you support a ruling class?
@Fuckers there is no "class" this is commie-speak.
Your premise is wrong.

There absolutely is class

That is cappy speak

Those who have more power

And those who have less

Literally 99% of people disagree with your statement that class doesn't exist

@Fuckers you admire the law of the jungle, I do not. this is the difference.

> 15:38] Thotsky: capacity of what?
capacity of doing things.
> and what's healthy? who determines what is healthy or not?
your feeling ?
If a foot is missing, you're not healthy, ok ?

Why does lower capacity automatically entail society being at a lesser stage of order?

I don't see order having anything to do with me missing a foot

this conversation is getting retarded

> 15:38] Thotsky: and why does lower complexity automatically entail order not being present?
I did not say that !
I told you about the meaning of **to create order**

so order is not present when we are at a lower stage of complexity?

How do I admire law of the jungle?

I support the exact opposite

@Leiro レイロ you seem to not understand the principle of
Order akin to Syntropy
Disorder akin to Entropy

> 15:47] Fuckers: How do I admire law of the jungle?
> [15:47] Fuckers: I support the exact opposite

No, you admire "class" thinking, see below. If you use *power* instead of *right*, this is the law of the jungle.

> 15:43] Fuckers: There absolutely is class
> 15:43] Fuckers: Those who have more power

@Fuckers the guy hasnt proven why not adhering to natural law makes us all primitvists

I use right instead of power

Capitalism is the law of the jungle

Lol

Letting innocents starve is right?