Message from @Mee6
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so given that most of human society operated on the basis of man made laws (before the existance of a state), it begs the question, why have natural law?
because we have already established that most communities can operate peacefully without it
Natural Law is inherent in Nature.
https://scuppernongspringsnaturetrail.files.wordpress.com/2014/11/042.jpg
There's no question of *to have* or not *to have*.
Learn it, follow it, and you will be good.
Ignore it or transgress it, and you will suffer.
simple as that 🙂
no no look, stop spamming me these screenshots I'm aware of what it is
im just asking why it is necessary
> 15:29] Thotsky: because we have already established that most communities can operate peacefully without it
The problem is in your split-tongue with the word "peace" !!
@Leiro レイロ ok, IF you strive for ORDER, then you follow Natural Law.
IF you strive for disorder / chaos, then you transgress Natural Law.
--> Ok, humans who seek their advancement follow it.
Satanists who want destruction, despise it.
That's just a false dichotomy my friend
I strive for order, but I don't like natural law
your just asserting shit at this point
> 15:31] Thotsky: I strive for order, but I don't like natural law
Then you are in contradiction yourself 🙂
your just presenting a false dichotomy
if I don't follow natural law I'm for chaos because natural law strives for order
what a circular argument
actually I think your the one contradicting yourself, if communities have been peaceful without natural law, that means natural law is not a necessary prerequisite
and therefore, plain unnecessary
¯\_(ツ)_/¯
In order to strive for Order, you need to take care of at least 2 domains: the material domain and the spiritual domain. agree ?
well you have to define what is order
creating order: going from lesser capacity to higher capacity, from unhealthy to healthy, from lower complexity to higher complexity
capacity of what?
and what's healthy? who determines what is healthy or not?
and why does lower complexity automatically entail order not being present?
@liquidnight why do you support a ruling class?
> 15:40] Fuckers: why do you support a ruling class?
@Fuckers there is no "class" this is commie-speak.
Your premise is wrong.
There absolutely is class
That is cappy speak
Those who have more power
And those who have less
Literally 99% of people disagree with your statement that class doesn't exist
@Fuckers you admire the law of the jungle, I do not. this is the difference.
> 15:38] Thotsky: capacity of what?
capacity of doing things.
> and what's healthy? who determines what is healthy or not?
your feeling ?
If a foot is missing, you're not healthy, ok ?
Why does lower capacity automatically entail society being at a lesser stage of order?
I don't see order having anything to do with me missing a foot
this conversation is getting retarded
> 15:38] Thotsky: and why does lower complexity automatically entail order not being present?
I did not say that !
I told you about the meaning of **to create order**
so order is not present when we are at a lower stage of complexity?
How do I admire law of the jungle?
I support the exact opposite
@Leiro レイロ you seem to not understand the principle of
Order akin to Syntropy
Disorder akin to Entropy
> 15:47] Fuckers: How do I admire law of the jungle?
> [15:47] Fuckers: I support the exact opposite
No, you admire "class" thinking, see below. If you use *power* instead of *right*, this is the law of the jungle.
> 15:43] Fuckers: There absolutely is class
> 15:43] Fuckers: Those who have more power