> 4:36] Fuckers: What is the difference between a capitalist ruling class and a government ruling class
No significant difference. Only decorative differences.

> 14:40] Thotsky: like for example, "biomass entities"
That was only a descriptive terms. This is how government psychopaths see the cattle.

14:37] Thotsky: a system where people voluntarily agreed to violate each others' natural laws.

If they agree, we name it *contract*. Then it is not a violation.

However under current rulership (and no contract), it is a violation.

we are not talking about any government here so any reference to that term is plainly unnecessary

okay then it's a contract then. But we have violated each others natural laws. What will you do about it.

I don't really see a need for natural law, because most of the time communities when left alone make their own laws whereby the community members agree to abide by them

@Leiro レイロ I just told you: If they agree, we it is a contract, not a violation.

Whats your problem understanding that ?

okay then we shall agree it's not a violation

so given that most of human society operated on the basis of man made laws (before the existance of a state), it begs the question, why have natural law?

because we have already established that most communities can operate peacefully without it

Natural Law is inherent in Nature.
https://scuppernongspringsnaturetrail.files.wordpress.com/2014/11/042.jpg
There's no question of *to have* or not *to have*.

Learn it, follow it, and you will be good.
Ignore it or transgress it, and you will suffer.

simple as that 🙂

no no look, stop spamming me these screenshots I'm aware of what it is

im just asking why it is necessary

> 15:29] Thotsky: because we have already established that most communities can operate peacefully without it

The problem is in your split-tongue with the word "peace" !!

@Leiro レイロ ok, IF you strive for ORDER, then you follow Natural Law.
IF you strive for disorder / chaos, then you transgress Natural Law.

--> Ok, humans who seek their advancement follow it.
Satanists who want destruction, despise it.

That's just a false dichotomy my friend

I strive for order, but I don't like natural law

your just asserting shit at this point

> 15:31] Thotsky: I strive for order, but I don't like natural law
Then you are in contradiction yourself 🙂

your just presenting a false dichotomy

if I don't follow natural law I'm for chaos because natural law strives for order

what a circular argument

actually I think your the one contradicting yourself, if communities have been peaceful without natural law, that means natural law is not a necessary prerequisite

and therefore, plain unnecessary

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

In order to strive for Order, you need to take care of at least 2 domains: the material domain and the spiritual domain. agree ?

well you have to define what is order

creating order: going from lesser capacity to higher capacity, from unhealthy to healthy, from lower complexity to higher complexity

GG @liquidnight, you just advanced to level 3!

capacity of what?

and what's healthy? who determines what is healthy or not?

and why does lower complexity automatically entail order not being present?

@liquidnight why do you support a ruling class?

> 15:40] Fuckers: why do you support a ruling class?
@Fuckers there is no "class" this is commie-speak.
Your premise is wrong.

There absolutely is class

That is cappy speak

Those who have more power

And those who have less

Literally 99% of people disagree with your statement that class doesn't exist

@Fuckers you admire the law of the jungle, I do not. this is the difference.

> 15:38] Thotsky: capacity of what?
capacity of doing things.
> and what's healthy? who determines what is healthy or not?
your feeling ?
If a foot is missing, you're not healthy, ok ?

Why does lower capacity automatically entail society being at a lesser stage of order?

I don't see order having anything to do with me missing a foot