if the state says you cant do something, *you cant do it*

end of story

Utterly false.

The State is not God.

it is to the left

*it might as well be*

The State can be upheaved.

good luck upheaving the state dude

have fun with that

People violate state diktat literally every day in ways small and large

fun is not the word for it. But it can be done.

the State is in no way an all-seeing eye or all-powerful hand

Because of excessive laws.

yes they do, and since the state says *they have no right to do that*, the state will punish them if they are caught

*if*

that *if* is very important

you can do things which you *dont have a right to do*

but the point of rights is the state bestowing and then protecting them

you can also have your rights violated by tyranny

an action of the state

if you don't believe rights are inherent then the word tyranny might as well not even exist

*...We hold these truths to be self-evident, that all men are created equal, that they are endowed by their CREATOR with certain unalienable Rights...*

THE

STATE

@Green Syndicalism You realize that you are making the very case for the 2nd Amendment?

IS

if the state does something that is *counter to the rights they legalistically bestowed upon you*, then yes, your rights can be violated.

NOT

GOD

yeah I don't think he does @yuma_8

but if the state removes your legal rights

you cant have them violated any further

because you dont have any

then we call that tyranny

the rights prexisted the state

call it what you want, you dont have rights in that circumstance

which is *a systemic, institutionalized violation of your natural rights*

you numbskull

lmao

can we point to 'natural rights'?

just because its not an outright legal right, doesn't mean that the those rights just evaporate, might as well go back to cavemen days if that is the case