except for the part where Mao was the one willing to justify any means to achieve his ends, liar

mao was trying to instill a MEANS

no, he was trying to create his utopia via whatever means seemed expedient

he wanted his own ideology implemented no matter what the cost

you are literally making my point for me

ideology != good results for humanity

you're stuck to your ideology

as was mao

as are you

you don't think you have one?

my thought processes are influenced by consequences, you have admitted that yours arent

sure they are

OH SHIT

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no, I have admitted that I am willing to accept some negative consequences in favor of more important positive ones

also known as "compromise"

you didnt say you thought you would get positive consequences at all, you just added that on right now you snake

hahaha

I remember saying earlier most conservatives have never touched philosophy all be it anecdotal it just keeps happening

I told you what my positive consequence was

liberty

no you didnt

freedom from authoritarian control over my actions and everyone else's

OK, if I failed to do so earlier, I'm doing so now.

uncephalizedToday at 4:48 PM
Ignoring is not the same as accepting as an unfortunate consequence of a more fundamental principle that in fact protects the rights of everyone, including the 'oppressed class'

I thought that was clear enough, but I can clarify if you wish.

you justified ignoring the bad consequences in order to institute a principle

its very clear

@Green Syndicalism Have you considered the consequences of the rights you are trying to institute?

we have already seen those consequences dude

I expressed a preference for holding everyone to the same universal standard rather than instituting inequality under the law based on protected class, sure.

we have protected classes

We also have a far more overreaching, bloated police state than we had before they were created. Coincidence?

the consequences are:
blacks are closing IQ/education gaps
they've closed some of the wealth gap

*"I remember saying earlier most conservatives have never touched philosophy all be it anecdotal it just keeps happening"*

@uncephalized i would say coincidence actually, yes

what would a leftist argument be without rampant arrogance

Then I would say you are blind.

because the police state came about through other legislation. nothing to do with protected classes

it came about because of the drug war and 9/11

Oh you sweet summer child.