Message from @Beemann

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2019-10-08 22:36:58 UTC  

Ray Kurzweil is an inventor and writes nonfiction. Is there another Kurzweil?

2019-10-08 22:37:18 UTC  

Isn't carbon dating less effective than we thought?

2019-10-08 22:37:29 UTC  

Like most things it isn't perfect

2019-10-08 22:37:40 UTC  

@Gunner Fox depends on how far back you're going to look.

2019-10-08 22:38:00 UTC  

All you'd need to confirm is that it's older than VHS

2019-10-08 22:38:14 UTC  

For instance, something that's 1000 years old and 10000 years old are much more identifiable than something 1billion years old, and 2 billion years old.

2019-10-08 22:38:23 UTC  

Ye das the kurzweil, he also writes science fiction unless I'm wrong

2019-10-08 22:38:36 UTC  

@Beemann but the vhs tapes would have been wiped by then.

2019-10-08 22:39:24 UTC  

Also the environment can effect the carbon dating process.

2019-10-08 22:39:41 UTC  

He wrote one work of fiction in 2019 with two companion pieces. It seems to be a Superhero thing

2019-10-08 22:39:51 UTC  

A divine VHS need never be wiped

2019-10-08 22:41:35 UTC  

Why can't it be something cooler, like a holographicndevice built into an obelisk?

2019-10-08 22:41:36 UTC  

>God creates eternal proof of Christ's death and resurrection
>it's on laserdisk

2019-10-08 22:41:42 UTC  

Who cares if it's impractical.

2019-10-08 22:42:57 UTC  

@Beemann So my steel man argument fails because God didn't write it on a disk?

2019-10-08 22:43:22 UTC  

No, the argument is that God jumped through hoops for maximum impact, but it wasn't maximum impact at all

2019-10-08 22:43:28 UTC  

And it's your only objection. I can leave with that

2019-10-08 22:43:48 UTC  

It was a localized phenomenon in an era of similar claims of Messiah status

2019-10-08 22:44:20 UTC  

That was definitely the way the roman empire treated it

2019-10-08 22:44:34 UTC  

Yah but you said that back than they were more receptives. So it does check

2019-10-08 22:44:47 UTC  

So what about people who didn't live in that region?

2019-10-08 22:44:54 UTC  

Rome was a very small slice of the world

2019-10-08 22:45:03 UTC  

Raid Vatican library in search of the holy USB

2019-10-08 22:45:10 UTC  

The thing is that even had god put such a thing into any other form of record you could pretty much claim that such record was also faked

2019-10-08 22:45:24 UTC  

Word of mouth and writing was the best they had at the time

2019-10-08 22:45:36 UTC  

But not the best God had

2019-10-08 22:45:58 UTC  

Sure, but had he put it on a VHS tape we wouldn't have been able to decode it till the, what, 80s

2019-10-08 22:46:10 UTC  

*you can do both*

2019-10-08 22:46:26 UTC  

It's also one example of countless

2019-10-08 22:46:48 UTC  

So the only way to prove a miracle for you would be consistently forward looking miracles that are only revealed upon the human discovery of ever more advanced data storage technologies?

2019-10-08 22:47:11 UTC  

Perhaps the test is not one of proof

2019-10-08 22:47:13 UTC  

but one of faith

2019-10-08 22:47:19 UTC  

Rather than a claim of a single instance from thousands of years ago filtered through translation? Yes

2019-10-08 22:47:34 UTC  

Everyone makes such claims. How does one weigh one against another?

2019-10-08 22:47:44 UTC  

If you read again the scrools you will see there is a message on there

2019-10-08 22:47:48 UTC  

Faith is regularly misused by Christian's like it's something unique towards belief in God.

2019-10-08 22:47:55 UTC  

It requires faith to do literally anything.

2019-10-08 22:48:16 UTC  

You typing out messages in discord is an act of faith that the computers will deliver your messages to all of us.

2019-10-08 22:48:20 UTC  

Once we get into faith the argument is pretty much shot

2019-10-08 22:48:30 UTC  

You can easily put your faith in things that will let you down.

2019-10-08 22:48:35 UTC  

Because it's equal footing with any other claim that cannot be easily disproven