@Beemann So my steel man argument fails because God didn't write it on a disk?

No, the argument is that God jumped through hoops for maximum impact, but it wasn't maximum impact at all

And it's your only objection. I can leave with that

It was a localized phenomenon in an era of similar claims of Messiah status

That was definitely the way the roman empire treated it

Yah but you said that back than they were more receptives. So it does check

So what about people who didn't live in that region?

Rome was a very small slice of the world

Raid Vatican library in search of the holy USB

The thing is that even had god put such a thing into any other form of record you could pretty much claim that such record was also faked

Word of mouth and writing was the best they had at the time

But not the best God had

Sure, but had he put it on a VHS tape we wouldn't have been able to decode it till the, what, 80s

*you can do both*

It's also one example of countless

So the only way to prove a miracle for you would be consistently forward looking miracles that are only revealed upon the human discovery of ever more advanced data storage technologies?

Perhaps the test is not one of proof

but one of faith

Rather than a claim of a single instance from thousands of years ago filtered through translation? Yes

Everyone makes such claims. How does one weigh one against another?

If you read again the scrools you will see there is a message on there

Faith is regularly misused by Christian's like it's something unique towards belief in God.

It requires faith to do literally anything.

You typing out messages in discord is an act of faith that the computers will deliver your messages to all of us.

Once we get into faith the argument is pretty much shot

You can easily put your faith in things that will let you down.

Because it's equal footing with any other claim that cannot be easily disproven

Well, that's kind of part of religion

Faith, that is

Like I can have faith that I can fly.

That doesn't mean I won't break a leg jumping off my roof.

Sure, but we're talking about evidence-based claims here

If we go wholly on faith, why not Islam? Why not Hinduism? Zoroastrianism?

Yeah. And belonging to a community is like jumping of a roof

We are not saying to go and explode

Neither are the Hindus

Well, if you look at western judeo-christian nations

We have, you know, running water

and uhhhh don't stone people for eating cows

Running water = right faith?

and don't throw our kids into manure piles for shits