Message from @A. Spader
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If we accept that there must be a mover, and the universe exists, why can the universe not be its own mover, as God would necessarily be the first mover if used as a cause
Word salad
What is?
this is gonna be rephrased 6 times before somebody says enough
and the argument itself will never change
Oh in the actual debate
Aight gs.
Not you beeman...
I've heard self causing one too many times.
Was confused for a moment lol
I'mma head out 🤗👌🏽😎
Peace homie
this isn't the reason I state you can't argue to God
@TheCompanyMan lol
but it is an example of the problem
@Mongo Jongo someone finally got my "post-debate duel" being flesh swords and meat cannons joke
to point out from a theologic foundation you can't engage the mind to God either
Bravo, good sir
this is just Pius word salading around Spader. pretty lame. he is defending the most minimalist form of god. which I'll grant does satisfy the statement but is a pretty semantic and kinda lame one.
its a God of the gaps argument which is theortical
At least with the impeachment stuff today Devin Nunes added some humor, this could use some humor 🙂
I agree the debate is pretty pedantic but Fond wouldn't debate the character of God
Yeah this conversation is pretty low T and dry.
because that's a theological discussion more than a philisophical one
also the default position is that something doesn't exist and that position must be refuted not proven.
the only manner in which you can actually confirm God is through theological foundation arguing in a moral base, a philosphy of God will never actually definitively confirm a god
>fond wouldn't debate the character of God
Why not?
oh I meant in the same way
because you have to define God existing first
not that he'd refuse
Oh ok
a debate on the character of God would be a debate on the Bible, if it was Pius and Fond
and that's not the same sort of debate at all
I will grant that.
It would likely be more interesting
this is a very stripped down form of evidencial apolgetics through philosphy
just ask Pius to prove god exists, that would be a good start
^^
tho if it was an actual evidencial apolgetics argument then at least it be somewhat fun