There are objective morals though.

by divinity I'm not referring to a subject of the mind, by divinity I mean something that is beyond realms of reality and controls that reality

objective morals in 2019 good meme

How do you objectively measure those morals?

that's part of what I'm talking about

@lanceleader thats a whole realm of philsophical debate which does not yet have a definitive answer.

without an objective divinity to define an objective morality, you can't have either

I actually think I believe what @Fondboy position is on this. (Waits for the lightning bolt)

lol

what would that be Frasty

that's what I'm arguing about, which is the problem with asking the question about seeking a enpirical moral framework

Murder is an objective moral.

frosty

@lanceleader That doesn't really answer the question

@lanceleader true because it is by definition unlawful

I need some sort of proof, not words

No, I am not talking about laws. Not murdering is an objective moral.

If you say you want to debate someone on a topic it's up to that person to prove their position. Don't think that was achieved

All I got as an answer was it'sd true

Thought thatr why we are here to prove that

That either requires more explanation or doesnt make sense

tl;dr I believe it so you should as well; if you are a good human you do if not be gone with you.

Thats all I got outta this'

I suspect thats not a charitable interpretation of what was said. Call me crazy

That’s the problem with having preaching that tries to enforce belief. You can share the ideas of God and Christianity but you don’t have a right to force it on people. Those that will listen, will listen, and the others will go on not believing. You did your job by sharing the word.

Pius argued that you can only subtract 1 from the universe so far before you hit Ø; And Ø is God.
Honestly, @Fondboy, we were depending on you, and you failed us. Utterly. 😤

"we"

People were depending on anyone in this debate?

This is the clostest you will get to this question
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=N_oQkSh2lq8&t=50s

@Mandatory Carry im not sure why you were depending on me lol. I hope by viewing this people may see me as more honest

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Moral objectivity is based primarily in preservation and advancement. Empathy is an instinct and allows us to formulate order in a world full of things that seem cruel and chaotic. Divinity is an unnecessary factor, even if its contemplation yields transcendent works of art and philosophy.

I go door to door on the weekends converting heathens whats your addy legalize, i'll stop by with my bible .. lol

the problem is what is the point of man's existence in a reality that has no defintive purpose

@YokoHaloless Could you elaborate on that first sentence?

We can chat about it, you like hot coco

Circles have no corners either

What do you mean by "preservation and advancement"?

You just mean that's generally how we decide what moral principles we hold?

If I kill someone for their land, isn’t that for my advancement and preservation?

Okay fair question, but supposing that there IS an end based in any given religion, then what is the purpose after. Religion just supposes you have one now. Eventually you won't