Moral objectivity is based primarily in preservation and advancement. Empathy is an instinct and allows us to formulate order in a world full of things that seem cruel and chaotic. Divinity is an unnecessary factor, even if its contemplation yields transcendent works of art and philosophy.

Okay fair question, but supposing that there IS an end based in any given religion, then what is the purpose after. Religion just supposes you have one now. Eventually you won't

@lanceleader Technically yes. But in that context you only factor in your own selfish gains and not even things such as consequences

As we are a social and relatively compressed species, it would be absurd to maintain that level of self importance

It would cause us to devolve ver quickly

@Beemann Precisely

For a time God was a very important part of that

@lanceleader What is right or wrong can and does vary depending on your religious convictions

Empathy is based in preservation absent of any one deities edicts

I agree

Said entities are inherently immoral from where I stand.
That being said, instinct isn't absolute but you understand when a deviation presents itself in the form of a killer, for example. What I'm talking about is how meaning is derived through survival and propagation. Objective morality in this case would be combining tribal instinct and intelligence and creating a standard by which life persists at its highest state possible

Religion laid that base as our species tried to understand the world but right now I think there is no compelling reason to believe that wasn't manifesting order in chaos

I'll grant you that, I suppose

I just think that objective morality is based in human compassion and a God is unnecessary and even a hindrance to that.

I suppose its difficult to truly define morality, because sometimes you must kill to save

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I gotta go drive home now but thank you for the stimulating discussion. I love this channel because of the kinds of people Matt and Blonde attract ^^

Wow that is just gross to look at. XD

Do they even watch Matt's content? That announcement was hilarious