The reforms would more likely look like scaling our current programs based on income so your benefits decrease as your income increases but not as drastically as it does now

Or just make all benefits temporary

That oughta do it

Then the benefit of low cost of oversight of ubi is gone

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Actually ubi wouldnt be as expensive if its paid for out of all other programs and the decrease in government size plus if ubi benefit is taxable

They give you 1k, you pay 330 back, lol

I wasn’t trying to make UBI work. UBI is retarded communist idiocy

Communism and wealth redistribution is two seperate conversations

The people of the government controlling the means of production is a repeated failed experiment. But wealth redistribution has a role in society, the question is how much

The purpose of wealth redistribution is essentially a bribe to keep the low performers from seing violence as the only means to escape their situations

Also, UBI would have the same impact of welfare and upward mobility
>get 12k for free untaxed
or
>earn 15k by working, get taxed 30%
>gets only 10k

Wealth redistribution is not moral, but its certainly logical

@Putz agreed

"logical" 🤔 🤔 🤔 🤔 🤔 🤔

Avoid sanpe, it's a crazy conspiracy theorist

@Sanpe no, the whole idea behind UBI is that it is unconditional--that's the Universal part of Universal Basic Income. A billionaire gets the same $12k a year that a homeless junkie gets. So there is no disincentive to increase income.

Don't work at all, your income is $12k. Get a part time job and make $15k more, you're still getting your $12k UBI so you are up to $27k.

It would definitely cause inflation and the workforce would shrink, among other likely problems, but the welfare trap thing is not one of them.

if everyone gets UBI, and income isnt taken into account, then UBI will cost trillions

Yes, no one has argued that it wouldn't.

So either way, its fucking bad

A little under $3T a year by my estimate, if you go by adult US citizens.

Which is the large majority of the entire federal budget.

So yeah, it's bad.

@uncephalized don't take the bait. He thinks Jooos did 9/11

@SpanishAbbey whatever, he can be crazy if he wants; I'm just talking policy.

But I fully agree with you. I'm just saying if he starts going off about the Kabal, don't be surprised lol

Joo Conspiracists are all over these days, I'm used to it.

@SpanishAbbey using reactions to bypass blocks is a form of harassment and is against discord terms

Ubi would have to include children if it is going to replace education, snap, wic, school lunch programs, medicaid, chip, aca, etc so the cost would be around 4t

The current budget is 4.746t. However in theory you would need to remove all mandatory spending programs which is about 2.7t and many discretionary programs like education 70b, va 87b, hud 43b, and others

So now your looking at a 1t increase spending per year. If it included the removal of state redistribution programs (which it wouldn't) then you could be looking at breaking even overall. But thats a lot of ifs and as thomas sowell points out, the government would only want to put ubi on top of the programs not instead of the programs

Yang thinks you should get your current entitlements minus 1k a month, which obviously changes nothing for the people on benefits

And you get none of the benefit of reduced beurocracy

Also if they did replace all the current redistribution departments, think of how many people that would leave unemployeed because of loosing government jobs and associated industries

Similar to tax reform, even though we could majorly simply the tax system, we won't because of the industry/labor already invested into our asinine system of bureaucracy

I swear, these conspiracy theory nuts can take any banter

Another bad part of ubi is the removal of social security which is actually a geneous idea with poor implementation

Social security basically says be lawful and productive and you are guaranteed access to utopia (retirement). Its like creating a heaven on earth. Ubi removes this incentive program

fam ubi is a meme

but if it teaches trump to not side with “more immigrants than ever” instead of americans that want jobs

maybe it’s about time