if everyone gets UBI, and income isnt taken into account, then UBI will cost trillions

Yes, no one has argued that it wouldn't.

So either way, its fucking bad

A little under $3T a year by my estimate, if you go by adult US citizens.

Which is the large majority of the entire federal budget.

So yeah, it's bad.

@uncephalized don't take the bait. He thinks Jooos did 9/11

@SpanishAbbey whatever, he can be crazy if he wants; I'm just talking policy.

But I fully agree with you. I'm just saying if he starts going off about the Kabal, don't be surprised lol

Joo Conspiracists are all over these days, I'm used to it.

@SpanishAbbey using reactions to bypass blocks is a form of harassment and is against discord terms

Ubi would have to include children if it is going to replace education, snap, wic, school lunch programs, medicaid, chip, aca, etc so the cost would be around 4t

The current budget is 4.746t. However in theory you would need to remove all mandatory spending programs which is about 2.7t and many discretionary programs like education 70b, va 87b, hud 43b, and others

So now your looking at a 1t increase spending per year. If it included the removal of state redistribution programs (which it wouldn't) then you could be looking at breaking even overall. But thats a lot of ifs and as thomas sowell points out, the government would only want to put ubi on top of the programs not instead of the programs

Yang thinks you should get your current entitlements minus 1k a month, which obviously changes nothing for the people on benefits

And you get none of the benefit of reduced beurocracy

Also if they did replace all the current redistribution departments, think of how many people that would leave unemployeed because of loosing government jobs and associated industries

Similar to tax reform, even though we could majorly simply the tax system, we won't because of the industry/labor already invested into our asinine system of bureaucracy

I swear, these conspiracy theory nuts can take any banter

Another bad part of ubi is the removal of social security which is actually a geneous idea with poor implementation

Social security basically says be lawful and productive and you are guaranteed access to utopia (retirement). Its like creating a heaven on earth. Ubi removes this incentive program

fam ubi is a meme

but if it teaches trump to not side with “more immigrants than ever” instead of americans that want jobs

maybe it’s about time

hell today, 12 republicans sided with democrats

and voted no on the emergency declaration for the southern border

where ice and cbp themselves sent a letter to trump recently saying fucking do something and end catch and release because theyre getting swamped with more and more illegals than ever before

12 repub senators

Eh, I don't mind legal immigrants

And the presidential emergency is a meme

I was just reading through this article. It doesn't exactly reach any profound conclusions, but it lays out the immigration scenario pretty well
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2019/04/david-frum-how-much-immigration-is-too-much/583252/

voting against the emergency declaration is not necessarily pro illegal immigration. for many its a stand against executive overreach

wonder why daca was ok

controlling the border and setting quotas on immigration is to separate conversations. that's the real problem, congress can't even divide up the issues into logical chunks and resolve one at a time.

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daca wasn't okay, everyone is for authoritarianism until the authority does not align to their views

the irony of the immigration discussion is we are hearing two distinct points going on. 1) impending automation will lead to mass unemployment and we must redefine social policy in preparation (ubi for example) 2) we need to increase immigration to help give opportunity to people under stress in poor countries, these people will be a boon to society in production

both these points cannot be true at once

I don't think automation is the doomsday scenario it's being made out to be, but I do agree that it's funny how some people who think it is also want to artificially inflate the population

It's clear that these are political positions and not moral ones

Or even logical ones