Think about the impacts to markets under ubi, cheap consumer goods like tvs etc would come under huge demand in the first months, creating scarcity, which as mentioned above cause inflation, etc. And yet people will be hungry for food by the 15th of the month because of people dependency on school lunch programs and food stamps

The systems true value is in the removal of administrative overhead, which would require dismantling all old systems, could you imagine the backlash from people on ssi/ssd if you reduced their checks to 1k a month from a system they paid into all their lives

Also where would such a bill be listed as a federal responsibilty be in the constitution granted the 10th ammendment has never stopped them before

One huge problem with UBI, and you touched on this in your first comment, is that it’s a policy designed by responsible, intelligent people who have put themselves in other people’s shoes. The problem is you can’t design a program for responsible intelligent people who happen to be perpetually on welfare. I’m not claiming all poor people are dumb but if you live your entire life on welfare, decision making isn’t exactly your strong suit. Throwing a grand at people who can’t manage a nickel will only make their problems way worse

Especially if their standard of living already far exceeds 1k

I have friends in government housing on food stamps, snap, ssd, and medicaid that are certainly receiving more than 1k a month in benefits

Well one of the stronger arguments for UBI is that it doesn’t create a welfare trap

Getting a job will never end up in a lower standard of living on UBI. The problems outweigh the benefits though. We just need comprehensive entitlement reform

*Dan Crenshaw 2024*

Hey look, a fucking numbskull shilling this UBI nonsense

its bullshit, and yanggang is a leftist shill operation

Then which wealth distribution/social welfare programs get shut off. Like can we get rid of the department of education?

Also, removing "other welfare programs" wont help the cost much at all. UBI would cost trillions per year.

The reforms would more likely look like scaling our current programs based on income so your benefits decrease as your income increases but not as drastically as it does now

Or just make all benefits temporary

That oughta do it

Then the benefit of low cost of oversight of ubi is gone

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Actually ubi wouldnt be as expensive if its paid for out of all other programs and the decrease in government size plus if ubi benefit is taxable

They give you 1k, you pay 330 back, lol

I wasn’t trying to make UBI work. UBI is retarded communist idiocy

Communism and wealth redistribution is two seperate conversations

The people of the government controlling the means of production is a repeated failed experiment. But wealth redistribution has a role in society, the question is how much

The purpose of wealth redistribution is essentially a bribe to keep the low performers from seing violence as the only means to escape their situations

Also, UBI would have the same impact of welfare and upward mobility
>get 12k for free untaxed
or
>earn 15k by working, get taxed 30%
>gets only 10k

Wealth redistribution is not moral, but its certainly logical

@Putz agreed

"logical" 🤔 🤔 🤔 🤔 🤔 🤔

Avoid sanpe, it's a crazy conspiracy theorist

@Sanpe no, the whole idea behind UBI is that it is unconditional--that's the Universal part of Universal Basic Income. A billionaire gets the same $12k a year that a homeless junkie gets. So there is no disincentive to increase income.

Don't work at all, your income is $12k. Get a part time job and make $15k more, you're still getting your $12k UBI so you are up to $27k.

It would definitely cause inflation and the workforce would shrink, among other likely problems, but the welfare trap thing is not one of them.

if everyone gets UBI, and income isnt taken into account, then UBI will cost trillions

Yes, no one has argued that it wouldn't.

So either way, its fucking bad

A little under $3T a year by my estimate, if you go by adult US citizens.

Which is the large majority of the entire federal budget.

So yeah, it's bad.

@uncephalized don't take the bait. He thinks Jooos did 9/11

@SpanishAbbey whatever, he can be crazy if he wants; I'm just talking policy.

But I fully agree with you. I'm just saying if he starts going off about the Kabal, don't be surprised lol

Joo Conspiracists are all over these days, I'm used to it.

@SpanishAbbey using reactions to bypass blocks is a form of harassment and is against discord terms