Another bad part of ubi is the removal of social security which is actually a geneous idea with poor implementation

Social security basically says be lawful and productive and you are guaranteed access to utopia (retirement). Its like creating a heaven on earth. Ubi removes this incentive program

fam ubi is a meme

but if it teaches trump to not side with “more immigrants than ever” instead of americans that want jobs

maybe it’s about time

hell today, 12 republicans sided with democrats

and voted no on the emergency declaration for the southern border

where ice and cbp themselves sent a letter to trump recently saying fucking do something and end catch and release because theyre getting swamped with more and more illegals than ever before

12 repub senators

Eh, I don't mind legal immigrants

And the presidential emergency is a meme

I was just reading through this article. It doesn't exactly reach any profound conclusions, but it lays out the immigration scenario pretty well
https://www.theatlantic.com/magazine/archive/2019/04/david-frum-how-much-immigration-is-too-much/583252/

voting against the emergency declaration is not necessarily pro illegal immigration. for many its a stand against executive overreach

wonder why daca was ok

controlling the border and setting quotas on immigration is to separate conversations. that's the real problem, congress can't even divide up the issues into logical chunks and resolve one at a time.

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daca wasn't okay, everyone is for authoritarianism until the authority does not align to their views

the irony of the immigration discussion is we are hearing two distinct points going on. 1) impending automation will lead to mass unemployment and we must redefine social policy in preparation (ubi for example) 2) we need to increase immigration to help give opportunity to people under stress in poor countries, these people will be a boon to society in production

both these points cannot be true at once

I don't think automation is the doomsday scenario it's being made out to be, but I do agree that it's funny how some people who think it is also want to artificially inflate the population

It's clear that these are political positions and not moral ones

Or even logical ones

grrr dissenter seems to be down

Well assuming climate change kills almost everyone in 12 years, automation shouldnt be an unemployment issue

Wew lad

that's something I don't get in their mythos I guess, how they're getting the temperature is going up 1 or 2C maybe to OMG WE'RE ALL GONNA FUCKING DIE IN 12 YEARS!

I feel I'm missing a few dozen steps

at most by their estimates there's a some potential infrastructure that'll need to be made maybe a few beach side homes will have to be moved or lifted or small dykes might need to be built.

I think it's that attitude that believes that we are currently living in the optimal conditions, and not only that, but anything different from those optimal conditions would mean disaster. Never mind that the world has previously been warmer, and humanity has done okay.

Basically there's a point where we get fucked hard due to a chain reaction is the idea

basically if you play with the aircon everyone in the house dies

done better even

There's also the idea that the warming is happening faster than it has in the past which is not going to allow the plant life to shift zones fast enough, which could create a mass die off.

I think we have real environmental problems like soil erosion, plastic pollution, overfishing and deforestation/desertification that we could be focusing on far more productively.

that I'm in favour of

those things are actionable

Yes

The AGW fear is an implacable an existential threat that lends itself to keeping the population in paralyzed anxiety rather than galvanized to action.

we can reclaim forest for the Congo and Amazon, we can prevent the spread of the Sahara, we can clean water

but those things actually need work and not just money and government projects

We don't need to go to Congo, we can reforest and repair watersheds in the American west first.