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daca wasn't okay, everyone is for authoritarianism until the authority does not align to their views

the irony of the immigration discussion is we are hearing two distinct points going on. 1) impending automation will lead to mass unemployment and we must redefine social policy in preparation (ubi for example) 2) we need to increase immigration to help give opportunity to people under stress in poor countries, these people will be a boon to society in production

both these points cannot be true at once

I don't think automation is the doomsday scenario it's being made out to be, but I do agree that it's funny how some people who think it is also want to artificially inflate the population

It's clear that these are political positions and not moral ones

Or even logical ones

grrr dissenter seems to be down

Well assuming climate change kills almost everyone in 12 years, automation shouldnt be an unemployment issue

Wew lad

that's something I don't get in their mythos I guess, how they're getting the temperature is going up 1 or 2C maybe to OMG WE'RE ALL GONNA FUCKING DIE IN 12 YEARS!

I feel I'm missing a few dozen steps

at most by their estimates there's a some potential infrastructure that'll need to be made maybe a few beach side homes will have to be moved or lifted or small dykes might need to be built.

I think it's that attitude that believes that we are currently living in the optimal conditions, and not only that, but anything different from those optimal conditions would mean disaster. Never mind that the world has previously been warmer, and humanity has done okay.

Basically there's a point where we get fucked hard due to a chain reaction is the idea

basically if you play with the aircon everyone in the house dies

done better even

There's also the idea that the warming is happening faster than it has in the past which is not going to allow the plant life to shift zones fast enough, which could create a mass die off.

I think we have real environmental problems like soil erosion, plastic pollution, overfishing and deforestation/desertification that we could be focusing on far more productively.

that I'm in favour of

those things are actionable

Yes

The AGW fear is an implacable an existential threat that lends itself to keeping the population in paralyzed anxiety rather than galvanized to action.

we can reclaim forest for the Congo and Amazon, we can prevent the spread of the Sahara, we can clean water

but those things actually need work and not just money and government projects

We don't need to go to Congo, we can reforest and repair watersheds in the American west first.

Would make our water supplies and ecologies far more resilient

the US isn't really that bad off in the grand scheme of things

Not yet @Lord Zedd

the Congo and the Amazon are major contributors to the climate over all

My state has huge tracts of land badly degraded by overgrazing of cattle that could use serious restoration.

I believe in acting locally.

I should say that some efforts have been done on the Sahara and the Congo

India as well has been some conservation as well

their efforts are definitely something to watch

Greening the Sahara would be great, don't get me wrong--I just want Africans to take the lead on it.

which they kind of are

the efforts in planting trees to turn back the Sahara are showing positive trends which is good and could mean it'll work in other areas

like here in Aus

there used to be a forest that ran right down the middle of Australia that helped water travel very far inland that got destroyed by the Aboriginals, I'd personally love to see that rebuilt

efforts for reforestation and conversation have been tried in the Amazon as well, Steve Irwin had an interesting way of doing it by basically buying up large chunks of land to protect it