ice t on oprah

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=5fO-KzW1YXw

You know what grinds my gears as an agnostic?

When people criticize a churches use of tithing for not spending a majority of it on humanitarian aid. Tithing isn't a humanitarian donation, it's money so the church can run it's facilities and sustain it's faculty.

That would be like criticizing the government for not spending all of it's money on welfare.

It’s actually for furthering Jesus’ message on earth. That can take many forms from paying leaders of the church, sending people on mission trips, or community charity efforts. It very often is all of those

But yeah church isn’t a coat drive-esque charity

Likewise it isn’t a business like Joel Osteen’s church seems to be

I would say that the church's existence in and of itself is a humanitarian aid

Obviously antitheists would disagree

Joel Osteen 🤢

Agreed

Just seeing that guy’s face makes me cringe

Joel Osteen is running a scam on the level that makes the Televangelists of the eighties and nineties look like chumps.

Honestly I'm not sure why people seem to have an exceptional problem with Joel Osteen. Sure I have disagreements with him but all I've heard is something about him supposedly saying give me money and God will make you rich which seems like a strawman I've never seen him say

The problem parts of the church have with him is that he is teaching a false gospel.

He's exactly the kind of false apostle Paul, Peter, and others wrote about

He’s a “prosperity preacher”. Rather than preach about doing good works because of your love of God as James said, he claims that if you do good things then God will bless you. Which is essentially an eastern philosophy and in no way scriptural

^^

Yeah but ultimately why would you become a Christian in the first place, obviously you see some kind of benefit to you in it, it isn't necessarily material or Earthly but at some level it benefits you, otherwise why would someone who isn't a Christian and doesn't already love God become Christian? I find the theology of those who rail against the "prosperity gospel" equally lacking and ultimately disingenuous

It's a false gospel because it doesn't come from Christ.

I don't know I find the complete opposite position sounds a bit like a Gnostic heresy so I'm not convinced that isn't a false gospel either

Would anyone care if churches didn't get tax exemptions?

I actually think that might be better since it's been used to stop political speech by churches

Go ahead and tax churches. Be prepared for Appalachian taliban.

What is the minecraft server ip done by those matt christiansen fans?

I don't know anything about that, but did you check the <#581182063928147996> ?

Thank you!

Also, Shadows is a pretty cool name!

XD

*hates doing emotes but it felt appropriate*

lol

Oh Chirst not that _"OLSTEAN is a con man"_ shit again...

I'm not sure anyone is following it, but does anyone think brexit was illegal because the leave side over spent some money? I know the remind side was just as bad or worst, but i'm wondering if anyone still thinks it makes brexit illegitimate (ya it doesn't matter because we are way pass that issue now).

>I'm not sure anyone is following it

>the remind side

Almost forgot, thanks

@Shadows. I dont know how brit politics work, but since money is a way to show your support then using money for publicity isn't illegal it just means the position is more supported

Noone cried fowl when hillary spent like 50% more to loose to trump

So my cousins first baby boy is named Fenrir.... I don’t think they understand he will eventually go to school.

Do they even teach Norse mythology in school?

@Putz For brexit, it had set rules on what was allowed to spend, you could spend more but you had to not coordinate any extra money to the main campaign, and seemly (tho not sure if that was fully proven yet), that leave side did that. It made the process illegal (this persons argument). They are looking for a 2nd referendum.

one remainer with Sargon argued that it was invalid because her side cheated and they should have another vote because of it

Wait isn't Fenrir the wolf that's supposed to destroy everything? Why would you name someone that?