Well, I do know that people of certain religious affiliations (I think Jehovah's Witnesses do this?) refuse to accept organ transplants because they think it's immoral

There is also something I find strange about having another's heart inside you. Often the heart of someone younger given to someone older.

It disturbs me

Anyway, how do we tell which things are illnesses and which are just expected roles? If your "expected role" is causing you distress (i.e. gender dysphoria), would it not make sense to treat it as a form of illness as well and try to mitigate it by changing the thing that's causing you distress in the first place? It seems to me that your argument could just as easily be applied to, for example, depressed people, as it could be said that being depressed is just their given role designated by their biology and that it's immoral to try to change that.

Suffering is caused by sin

The through suffer comes greater good

Even in treatment people suffer

It is good to show mercy to others

Do not be so one minded about this

Both punishment and salvation come from God

Suffering and elevation

How do you know this?

The words of saints

It seems highly faith-based

Isn't it possible that those saints could have just been lying or delusional or something?

Nope

Why not? Is it not true that all humans are fallible?

"There is a difference between treatment for an illness and completely changing your body to reject a social role" what if I'm changing my body to treat gender dysphoria @Danacrag

That is terminal gender dysphoria imo @chaizu

Eh?

Do you uh

Do you know what terminal means

I'm happy for you rejecting your social role as prescribed by god

I do. And the high suicide rate of transgenders is example for that

Pretransition transgendered people*

Pretty much all of the data shows that trans peoples lives have a strong tendency to improve following transition.

The failure to help people with proper treatment because of lies about transitioning isnt helpful anyone

What are the lies about transitioning

https://whatweknow.inequality.cornell.edu/topics/lgbt-equality/what-does-the-scholarly-research-say-about-the-well-being-of-transgender-people/

@Danacrag

Tbh I cant be bothered to argue about stats on this. Everyone has stats that they like. I cant really buy into studies done on some place that has an LGBT equality section. Seems like they will choose whatever studies they like. @chaizu

@actual_communist_boi ?

Are their studies to the contrary though? It's not like they cherry picked one or two studies, this was a meta-analysis of 55 studies

@Castore don't try to lie and say you haven't done it

i havent and im not lying

@LustrousMandrill did you try to do it ?

Everyone with a dick has tried it at some point

That's my position on the matter

@Danacrag why don't you bring in in the idiots you listen to on the topic in here