Message from @LustrousMandrill

Discord ID: 658011526942163000


2019-12-21 18:08:57 UTC  

You will have happiness instead of pleasure

2019-12-21 18:09:24 UTC  

Brb

2019-12-21 18:09:50 UTC  

So let's say someone has a problem with their heart or another vital organ and needs surgery to fix it and improve their chances for survival. Or even if they have depression and need medication to help them find relief from it. Is it immoral to go through with the surgery or take the medication because you're rejecting the role you've been given, i.e. being unhealthy and miserable?

2019-12-21 18:10:55 UTC  

I'm curious to see where God draws the line with such things.

2019-12-21 18:12:09 UTC  

There is a difference between treatment for an illness and completely changing your body so you can reject your expected role

2019-12-21 18:12:30 UTC  

Also I'm actually unsure about organ donations

2019-12-21 18:12:46 UTC  

Christians aren't really supposed to donate their organs

2019-12-21 18:12:57 UTC  

Which may imply receiving an organ is also immoral

2019-12-21 18:13:21 UTC  

And I'm pretty sceptical when it comes to drug treatments for many mental illnesses

2019-12-21 18:13:43 UTC  

Well, I do know that people of certain religious affiliations (I think Jehovah's Witnesses do this?) refuse to accept organ transplants because they think it's immoral

2019-12-21 18:15:21 UTC  

There is also something I find strange about having another's heart inside you. Often the heart of someone younger given to someone older.

2019-12-21 18:15:32 UTC  

It disturbs me

2019-12-21 18:20:11 UTC  

Anyway, how do we tell which things are illnesses and which are just expected roles? If your "expected role" is causing you distress (i.e. gender dysphoria), would it not make sense to treat it as a form of illness as well and try to mitigate it by changing the thing that's causing you distress in the first place? It seems to me that your argument could just as easily be applied to, for example, depressed people, as it could be said that being depressed is just their given role designated by their biology and that it's immoral to try to change that.

2019-12-21 18:20:46 UTC  

Suffering is caused by sin

2019-12-21 18:20:57 UTC  

The through suffer comes greater good

2019-12-21 18:21:06 UTC  

Even in treatment people suffer

2019-12-21 18:21:21 UTC  

It is good to show mercy to others

2019-12-21 18:21:50 UTC  

Do not be so one minded about this

2019-12-21 18:22:14 UTC  

Both punishment and salvation come from God

2019-12-21 18:22:28 UTC  

Suffering and elevation

2019-12-21 18:22:53 UTC  

How do you know this?

2019-12-21 18:23:25 UTC  

The words of saints

2019-12-21 18:23:27 UTC  

It seems highly faith-based

2019-12-21 18:24:32 UTC  

Isn't it possible that those saints could have just been lying or delusional or something?

2019-12-21 18:26:54 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/649061211849097217/658012540004991006/IMG_20191221_174641.jpg

2019-12-21 18:26:59 UTC  

Nope

2019-12-21 18:41:09 UTC  

Why not? Is it not true that all humans are fallible?

2019-12-21 18:46:07 UTC  

"There is a difference between treatment for an illness and completely changing your body to reject a social role" what if I'm changing my body to treat gender dysphoria @Danacrag

2019-12-21 18:52:36 UTC  

That is terminal gender dysphoria imo @chaizu

2019-12-21 18:53:26 UTC  

Eh?

2019-12-21 18:53:51 UTC  

Do you uh

2019-12-21 18:53:57 UTC  

Do you know what terminal means

2019-12-21 18:55:58 UTC  

https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/649061211849097217/658019852966952971/SmartSelect_20191221-115551_Discord.jpg

2019-12-21 18:56:19 UTC  

I'm happy for you rejecting your social role as prescribed by god

2019-12-21 18:56:47 UTC  

I do. And the high suicide rate of transgenders is example for that

2019-12-21 18:57:00 UTC  

Pretransition transgendered people*

2019-12-21 18:57:56 UTC  

Pretty much all of the data shows that trans peoples lives have a strong tendency to improve following transition.

2019-12-21 18:58:01 UTC  

The failure to help people with proper treatment because of lies about transitioning isnt helpful anyone

2019-12-21 18:58:13 UTC  

What are the lies about transitioning

2019-12-21 19:16:44 UTC