Message from @Fogmind
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when the baby threatens the mother's life?
No.
ok well thats the kind of abortion implied by the self-defence paralle
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That would imply the 'baby' is consciously aware and choosing to do so. I am not prescribing consciousness to a bag of cells.
ok so how are you even justifying your position then
ELIZA: Is something troubling you ?
YOU: hello
ELIZA: How do you do. Please state your problem.
YOU: my car doesn't work
ELIZA: Is it important to you that your car doesn't work ?
YOU: yes
ELIZA: I understand.
YOU: Good, thanks
ELIZA: But your car doesn't work.
I can defend myself from a rabbid dog, an enraged gorilla, or a fetus with a shotgun.
ELIZA: Please tell me what's been bothering you.
YOU: I am angry all the time
ELIZA: Is it because you are angry all the time that you came to me ?
YOU: no
ELIZA: Why 'no' ?
YOU: because
ELIZA: Don't any other reasons come to mind ?
YOU: not really
ELIZA: I'm not sure I understand you fully.
YOU: no other reasons come to mind
ELIZA: Are you saying no just to be negative?
YOU: no
ELIZA: You are being a bit negative.
YOU: so are you.
ELIZA: Would you prefer if I weren't ?
but you can't know in all cases that a fetus is a danger to your life. that's the problem
Does self-defense only apply in circumstances of human vs human situations? Or is lethal self defense and expression of self preservation?
It isn't human vs human, it is me vs thatotherthingthatwillkillme
I want to kill babies with my bare hands, where does that put me?
i accept that, but your application to abortion is far too broad
In the neo-liberal pile, if CML is to be believed.
Well you need to argue that.
we can't always know if the baby is life threatening. people have abortions for far less after all. but you don't accept those
I never said we could.
That's the man you're after, btw.
lol it's not a strawman when i'm just working out your position
It is when you assume it.
are you going to be these fallacy jerkoffs
You're stating positions for me, not asking what my position is.
no, i'm trying to make sense of your stance on abortion. you drew a parallel to self-defence. that's a problem, because abortion isn't always decided on whether the baby is a threat
As long as you are in favor of lethal force self defense, you must, inherently, be in favor of at least 1 form of abortion. Read it slowly. I know the Canadian educational system is inferior to the USAs, but I truly believe in you.
ok. when a baby threatens a mother's life. but didn't you say that wasn't the form you defend
I never said a baby threatens a mother's life.
That would imply the baby is attempting to coerce the mother to a specific action, we are now giving the baby consciousness and/or motive.
Now it is a criminal that needs to be brought to justice.
Fetus policeus
whether it's conscious or not in some circumstances it's physically a threat to the life of the mother
that's the 1 form of abortion you defend is all i'm asking
That's the word you used, I am stating I don't agree with it. Context and language matters.
well i'm not trying to trap you i just want to know exactly which form of abortion you defend